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Old 11-21-2007, 04:26 AM   #1
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New legislation would impose Minimum Mandatory Sentences for Drugs



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shit man the tories their like an infomercial guy: But wait! theres more!

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New legislation would impose minimum sentences for drug crimes

OTTAWA — The government introduced new legislation on Tuesday that promises to crack down on serious drug crimes by imposing mandatory jail sentences.

The proposals, which would mean changes to the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, include the following:

-A one-year mandatory sentence for dealing drugs when a weapon or violence is involved, or when the drugs are dealt for organized crime purposes

-A two-year mandatory sentence for dealing drugs, such as cocaine, heroin or methamphetamines, to youth or for dealing near a school or in an area frequented by youth


-Running a large marijuana grow operation of at least 500 plants will mean an automatic two-year jail term

-The maximum penalty for cannabis production would increase from seven to 14 years

The government says the legislation will also introduce tougher penalties for trafficking GHB and other drugs known as date-rape drugs.

“Drug producers and dealers threaten the safety of our communities, they must face tougher penalties,” said Justice Minister Rob Nicholson at a press conference following the bill’s introduction in the House of Commons. “We want to put organized crime out of business in this country.”

The reforms are part of the government’s national anti-drug strategy, announced last month.

Currently, there are no mandatory minimum sentences.

“With today’s bill we are saying that serious drug crimes mean serious jail time,” said Nicholson.

The justice minister said the new bill targets drug dealers and producers, not those who are addicted to drugs and commit crimes to support their habit.

The new legislation allows for exceptions to made if an offender completes a drug treatment court program. In that instance, a judge may forgo the mandatory minimum sentence and instead give a reduced or suspended sentence to the offender. Drug treatment court programs blend judicial supervision, social services support and sanctions for non-compliance.

Nicholson said the proposed changes are not an indication that judges are being too lenient in their sentencing, but rather, that the changes reflect how serious the government takes the “growing problem” of drug production and trafficking in Canada.

“Judges apply the laws that we have but it’s Parliament’s job to set those guidelines and so we are living up to our responsibility to set those guidelines,” said Nicholson.

“We’ve made it very clear that those individuals who are in the business of exploiting other people through organized crime and other aggravating factors through this bill — we want to get serious with those individuals and send the right message to them.

“It’s a very clear message: ‘You will be doing jail time.’”


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what's next?
or what will the libs do to seem 'tough on crime' go for a death sentence bill?!

ok So im mad cause Pot is mentioned..

I could go on & on about how fk'n dumb this is ...and im sure i'll have too

crack doesn't occur naturally yet you see no mention of the word 'Crack'.
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Old 11-21-2007, 04:33 AM   #2
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New anti-drug bill likely to lead to more cases of HIV

Mandatory minimum sentences already a proven failure in the U.S.

TORONTO, Nov. 20 /CNW/ - Legislation introduced earlier today in the
House of Commons by Justice Minister Rob Nicholson will do little to reduce
drug use and instead worsen already serious public problems by resulting in
increased risk of HIV transmission, said the Canadian HIV/AIDS Legal Network.
"There's no proof that mandatory sentences reduce drug use or the
problems associated with it. In fact, there's evidence that it creates more
public-health problems than it solves," said Richard Elliott, Executive
Director. "Even conservative jurists like former U.S. Supreme Court Chief
Justice William Rehnquist have said that mandatory sentences make good
politics, but result in bad policy. Clearly, Americanizing Canada's drug laws
is not the answer."


Mandatory-sentencing policies have produced record incarceration rates of
non-violent drug users in the United States. In addition to the massive cost
of a larger prison population, higher incarceration rates lead to higher
infection rates of blood-borne diseases like HIV and hepatitis C. Higher
infection rates ultimately result in greater health-care costs. Since most
prisoners are eventually released back into the community, the public-health
implications of imprisoning non-violent people who use drugs cannot be
ignored.


Even a detailed examination conducted for the Department of Justice
Canada in 2002 concluded that mandatory minimum sentences do not work.

Such measures, it said, are "least effective in relation to drug offences"; "drug
consumption and drug-related crime seem to be unaffected, in any measurable
way, by severe (mandatory minimum sentences)."
"Talking about 'getting tough on crime' may be politically expedient, but
when it comes to drug issues, the rhetoric isn't backed up by reason,"
concluded Elliott. "What Canada needs now is a sensible approach to drug
policy - a smart one based on solid scientific evidence, sound public-health
principles and respect for human rights."
A myths-vs.-reality backgrounder and a briefing paper entitled "Mandatory
Minimum Sentences for Drug Offences: Why Everyone Loses" are available at
www.aidslaw.ca.


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a few good points - it hasn't worked for america
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so grow 499 plants.... it really won't be any different unless you're a dealer carrying a piece, sellling to kids, working with organized crime, or growing on a fairly large scale. As pro-pot that i am, I can't really complain about this proposal. They aren't going after the social potsmoker.
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Old 11-21-2007, 11:00 AM   #5
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crack doesn't occur naturally yet you see no mention of the word 'Crack'.
Crack is cocaine, and they clearly mention cocaine.
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....unless you're a dealer carrying a piece, sellling to kids, working with organized crime, or growing on a fairly large scale.
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Old 11-21-2007, 12:57 PM   #7
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I just read the 2nd article. Are you for ****ing real? They are trying to connect mandatory sentences with higher Hepatitis C infections?

Sounds like someone is reaching.
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Bro, if they ever catch you, you got bigger problems. I've never seen someone have 7 warrants out for their arrest. How does your lawyer keep getting you bail?
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Old 11-21-2007, 04:09 PM   #9
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so grow 499 plants.... it really won't be any different unless you're a dealer carrying a piece, sellling to kids, working with organized crime, or growing on a fairly large scale. As pro-pot that i am, I can't really complain about this proposal. They aren't going after the social potsmoker.
so They say...but i havn't read the full proposal/bill..
and i have trouble trusting (poloticians)..

and again do we even need MJ in this law?? do we have pot heads running about shooting people?
like wheres the 'crime' they're getting tough on in regards to mj?

also won't it now be at the officers 'disscretion' now whether you're trafficking or possesing?

what if you say just picked up 3.5grams each of 2 reallt nice types of pot,
now imagine you somehow get busted, searched..
couldn't the cop call your 2 different weed types "trafficking" ? yes.

its just a pen mark of his opinion on a piece of paper. judge can sort it later, k-thanx bye



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Crack is cocaine, and they clearly mention cocaine.
yes, yes they do.

crack is refined or processed coke....

but since the tories are trying to 'be like america' why not have Stricter harsher sentencing for 'Crack'
over powdered cocaine, like they do in the states??




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I just read the 2nd article. Are you for ****ing real? They are trying to connect mandatory sentences with higher Hepatitis C infections?

Sounds like someone is reaching.
is it that far of a reach? you overpopulate jails & you get ramped up disease infection..

and why did you glance over: 'the massive cost of a larger prison population'
that will cost money - something like $50,000+ per year, per 'guest'.
thats ****ing real, no?

or how about
"Even conservative jurists like former U.S. Supreme Court Chief
Justice William Rehnquist have said that mandatory sentences make good
politics, but result in bad policy. Clearly, Americanizing Canada's drug laws
is not the answer."


This guy would have some 'insight' and experience on the matter, no?
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FISH FOOD: Tories are soft on crime

Murder is murder, whether it's state sanctioned or someone like me," Ronald Smith, the Canadian on death row in the U.S. recently told CTV. He has a point. Harper's reversal of the long-standing Canadian policy to request the commutation of the death penalty of Canadians convicted in the U.S. is consistent with his general disregard for due process in the justice system, his assault on the judiciary and his soft and ineffective justice agenda.

In addition to this reversal, Harper's assault on the judiciary and due process includes: (1) An election campaign speech in which he warned of Canada's liberal judiciary, which later forced Chief Justice Beverly McLachlin to take the unusual step of speaking publicly to defend the integrity of the judiciary. (2) The dismantling of the Court Challenges Program, which had assisted Canadians in asserting their Constitutional rights. The idea of minority rights protected against majority rule doesn't fit with Harper's public pandering. (3) The addition of a police representative on the committee that selects our judges, giving the government a majority on those committees. (4) Tabling a bill calling for high mandatory minimum sentences, effectively removing judges' sentencing discretion in some of the most sensitive cases. The list goes on.

Amid all this, there was a release of a shocking video of the taser-murder of a Polish immigrant at the Vancouver International Airport. Part of a rash of recent RCMP misconduct-the extent of which has not been made public because the RCMP investigates itself -it depicts four uniformed officers confronting a man who is lost and confused in an airport, but who did not pose a lethal threat, by shocking him twice with a taser gun and then wrestling him to his death. Even if state-sanctioned murder was appropriate in the case of Ronald Smith, what about in the case of the Polish immigrant and numerous other victims of the RCMP?

The first bill Harper passed in the last parliamentary session was the Accountability Act. It is time that the RCMP is made accountable. The first bill that he has passed this session, the Tackling Violent Crime Act, contains provisions that will have effects counterproductive to its title, including the imposition of mandatory minimum sentences and raising of the age of sexual consent. Mandatory minimum sentences have the potential to turn one-time violators into life-long criminals by eliminating the judges' discretion to diagnose particular offenders on a case-by-case basis. Raising the age of consent for sexual activity will add nothing to existing legislation by way of protection against sexual predators, but may have the effects of criminalizing teenage sex and hampering the ability of teenage girls to seek medical advice.

Harper's populist approach to justice is both too narrow and too reactive. It is too narrow in the sense that it is limited to violent crime and excludes other matters of social justice, including protection of vulnerable groups such as the poor, children and aboriginals. It is too reactive in the sense that it focuses almost exclusively on dealing with crime after the fact, rather than focusing on the roots of crime. In effect, by failing to tackle the causes of crime proactively through social programming, Harper's agenda is soft on crime. The Conservatives recently ran ads attacking Liberal leader Stephane Dion for acknowledging the difficulty of setting priorities-not an ideal sound byte for a political leader, but certainly a reasonable view in light of Canada's diversity. I would much prefer a leader who is honest enough to acknowledge the problematic nature of agenda-setting than one who demonstrates by example his inability to set legitimate and effective priorities.

Harper should affirm Canada's opposition to all forms of state sanctioned murder, including the reinstatement of our policy of opposing the death penalty, create a truly independent and powerful agency to oversee the RCMP and commission a full public inquiry to investigate police misconduct in this country-including, but not limited to, taser use-and make recommendations for restoring integrity to

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is it that far of a reach? you overpopulate jails & you get ramped up disease infection..

and why did you glance over: 'the massive cost of a larger prison population'
that will cost money - something like $50,000+ per year, per 'guest'.
thats ****ing real, no?

or how about
"Even conservative jurists like former U.S. Supreme Court Chief
Justice William Rehnquist have said that mandatory sentences make good
politics, but result in bad policy. Clearly, Americanizing Canada's drug laws
is not the answer."


This guy would have some 'insight' and experience on the matter, no?
Yes, it IS that far of a reach.

Just because they have a higher risk of infection in jail, doesn't mean we should go lenient on them.
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crack doesn't occur naturally yet you see no mention of the word 'Crack'.

Crack doesn't but Cocain is made out of Coco leaf and just because they use all kinds of shit lto extract what we know as cocaine doesn't exactly not make it natural. Just because they use those substances to extract it doesn't mean that those substances stay with in the Cocaine structure.

Crack is a purified form of Cocaine because they bake it with with Baking soda in which all the impurities in Cocaine get killed off and then it fuses with baking powder.
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Crack doesn't but Cocain is made out of Coco leaf and just because they use all kinds of shit lto extract what we know as cocaine doesn't exactly not make it natural. Just because they use those substances to extract it doesn't mean that those substances stay with in the Cocaine structure.

Crack is a purified form of Cocaine because they bake it with with Baking soda in which all the impurities in Cocaine get killed off and then it fuses with baking powder.
#1 cocaine is a very diiferent substance then pot..

if you were to just chew coca leaves like the indians do to combat altitudes & get a nice up.
you'd probably never find yourself selling all your stuff or going broke,
staying up for days, going psychotic, stealing shit to support the habbit, etc..

thats the processed coca leaf for ya i guess? too hardcore..

now marijuana (as most know) requires no 'processing' it only needs to be cut down & dried for a week
kinda like tobaco.
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#1 cocaine is a very diiferent substance then pot..

if you were to just chew coca leaves like the indians do to combat altitudes & get a nice up.
you'd probably never find yourself selling all your stuff or going broke,
staying up for days, going psychotic, stealing shit to support the habbit, etc..

thats the processed coca leaf for ya i guess? too hardcore..

now marijuana (as most know) requires no 'processing' it only needs to be cut down & dried for a week
kinda like tobaco.
I know it is, people who chew coco leafs don't get the same effect as snorting a line I'm sure of it, it takes a ton of coco leaf to make 1kg of Cocaine. So what people get is a much higher dose then of what chewing a coco leaf would do to a person.
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I know it is, people who chew coco leafs don't get the same effect as snorting a line I'm sure of it, it takes a ton of coco leaf to make 1kg of Cocaine. So what people get is a much higher dose then of what chewing a coco leaf would do to a person.
I guess its the same in that Hash is a extract of pot & it takes alot of pot to make hash

or so i've read.
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