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Old 11-19-2007, 11:56 AM   #16
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my dad drives a 325i E46 in winter, no winter tires, just the stock all seasons that suck...and he's never had any problems AND he's getting old with slow reactions so his driving isnt the best! just dont drive like an idiot in snow, ull be fine....
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Old 11-19-2007, 10:05 PM   #17
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Worst.....far from that!

An E46 with proper snow tires, ASC or DSCII on, and a proper driver behind the wheel is a very safe car. Never had the rear end come out, unless I was forcing it, and expected it to.

You have to treat a RWD car with respect. Thatís why FWD cars became so popular in the 80ís and 90ís. You can drive them without thinking.

I find the e46 (with snows) to be more stable in the snow/ice than my 4 Wheel Drive SUV with all-season tires. With a near 50/50 weight distribution of a e46, it slides very predictably if you make it.

I'm getting snows for the SUV as well. When SUVís start sliding, they are a handful with all that weight.
We only managed to get the back end out once, and get stuck for a brief min once in our E46 ( On the stock all- seasons) , and we have had AWD Subarus before, and we had them sliding alot more. As long as you treat them with respect its actually very easy to control in the winter.
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Old 11-19-2007, 11:15 PM   #18
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Ahh... my kind of thread.

Just give in and buy a quattro
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:15 AM   #19
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The Lexus IS250AWD is a great car. They're quite reliable and the AWD will get you around hassle-free in snow.
As for the extra weight, generally, you probably won't feel the different between a RWD and AWD model with the same motor.

Lexus/Toyota really hold their value quite well, so at the end of the day, it's not a bad car....plus, I find it looks really good!!!

Another car to consider is an A4 (maybe a B6 or B7 model). They don't hold their value especially if compared to a Toyota brand.
Yeah, I know that many people here are BMW enthusiasts including myself.... but many quickly tend to knock down Audi's due to their problems.....you know what, Bimmers have their own lot of issues as well. To be honest, I love the clean look of A4ís and their interiors...and in my opinion, they look much better and seem to be more refined than BMW interiors.

I've owned a B5 A4 1.8T Quattro for the past 3 yrs and I've come across only one issue out of the typical maintenance schedule. I also have winter tires on it with no problems whatsoever in the winter. There's nothing like an AWD car for the winter....and it can be a lot of fun!

All in all, I'd recommend a Lexus IS250 AWD, A4 (B5, B6, B7) Quattro 4cyl. or V6 models, Volvo S60 T5 AWD...yup, a Volvo...they handle very well and the AWD is awesome in the snow.

Good luck!
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Old 11-26-2007, 10:13 AM   #20
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I missed a lot since I was sick for the past week, but this is my first day back to work and there's snow in my driveway, around 2 inches worth. I re-iterate: E46s SUCK in the snow, regardless of driving skills! Maybe its just mine. But even driving like a grandpa, going TOO easy on the gas, and the wheels slip and spin, and DSC comes on to make things worse. Maybe I just have crap luck with snow tires, who knows.

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Old 11-26-2007, 11:24 AM   #21
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My parents drive fine in their E36 and E46 with snow tires.
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Old 11-26-2007, 04:10 PM   #22
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I missed a lot since I was sick for the past week, but this is my first day back to work and there's snow in my driveway, around 2 inches worth. I re-iterate: E46s SUCK in the snow, regardless of driving skills! Maybe its just mine. But even driving like a grandpa, going TOO easy on the gas, and the wheels slip and spin, and DSC comes on to make things worse. Maybe I just have crap luck with snow tires, who knows.

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I got an S4 you can buy for winter use. It has quattro, but sometimes is ineffective due to torque.
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Old 11-26-2007, 04:42 PM   #23
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I missed a lot since I was sick for the past week, but this is my first day back to work and there's snow in my driveway, around 2 inches worth. I re-iterate: E46s SUCK in the snow, regardless of driving skills! Maybe its just mine. But even driving like a grandpa, going TOO easy on the gas, and the wheels slip and spin, and DSC comes on to make things worse. Maybe I just have crap luck with snow tires, who knows.
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Are you serious? There is no way the E46 sucks in the snow (with snow tires). Even in deep snow, that car is good. It must be your car, or your driving.

Out of curiosity:

What Type of Tires (Brand and Model)?

Tire Size?
225/45-17 ??
245/40-17 ??
225/40-18 ??

How old are the tires?
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Old 11-26-2007, 04:48 PM   #24
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Come on now, when I had the E36 328i w/crappy OEM Michelin All Seasons I never spun out. ASC prevents the wheel from spinning. I floored it in the snow and the system kicked in preventing any wheel spin.

Ever notice when it snows, you see SUV's in the ditch? I have when I drove during my ski vacations. They have AWD too yet they end up in ditches? It really boils down to the driver. I could probably spin my 328i out with ASC on by flicking the car, but that would be because I'm forcing it to.

Anyways, the IS250 is a nice car, but if the AWD does give you the added assurance, go for it
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Old 11-27-2007, 08:40 AM   #25
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Are you serious? There is no way the E46 sucks in the snow (with snow tires). Even in deep snow, that car is good. It must be your car, or your driving.

Out of curiosity:

What Type of Tires (Brand and Model)?

Tire Size?
225/45-17 ??
245/40-17 ??
225/40-18 ??

How old are the tires?
Serious as cancer. Tires are on their second winter (bought em brand new last year). They're Toyo Gripens (not sure of the exact model #). My last set of snow tires (which I also found sucked) were Michelin Pilot Alpins (since replaced by the X-Ice I think). In deep snow, this car is TERRIBLE. If your not following in someone elses tracks, good luck. Tire size is OEM stock, 205/55-16. I can't see how this is a problem with my driving. I've been driving for 21 years, and while I'm not a fantastic driver, I've driven in my share of horrible Nova Scotia winters (but always with FWD or 4x4). This is my first RWD car, so maybe thats a factor. But even driving SLOW, in a straight line, the car likes to wiggle in deep snow/slush.

Meegis: don't tempt me!! If I had the cash, I'd get a quattro wagon in a heartbeat for winter. I'm already tempted to refinance my house and head down to the USA with 20 grand to get a used one.

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Old 11-27-2007, 08:47 AM   #26
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I love how my e46 handles in the snow. I've driven through deep snow intentionally pushing the gas down and the traction control light doesnt stop blinking while it keeps my car under control. I can turn, brake, and accelerate (using Dunlop winter tires, 2nd season starting now...).

No complaints other than in really deep snow where there are tracks, you must be careful (but that is with all cars, not just an e46).

I'd say the e46 is far from the worse handling in the snow, but not the best either.
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Old 11-27-2007, 10:11 AM   #27
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I missed a lot since I was sick for the past week, but this is my first day back to work and there's snow in my driveway, around 2 inches worth. I re-iterate: E46s SUCK in the snow, regardless of driving skills! Maybe its just mine. But even driving like a grandpa, going TOO easy on the gas, and the wheels slip and spin, and DSC comes on to make things worse. Maybe I just have crap luck with snow tires, who knows.

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Are you buying bald snow tires or something?
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Serious as cancer. Tires are on their second winter (bought em brand new last year). They're Toyo Gripens (not sure of the exact model #). My last set of snow tires (which I also found sucked) were Michelin Pilot Alpins (since replaced by the X-Ice I think). In deep snow, this car is TERRIBLE. If your not following in someone elses tracks, good luck. Tire size is OEM stock, 205/55-16. I can't see how this is a problem with my driving. I've been driving for 21 years, and while I'm not a fantastic driver, I've driven in my share of horrible Nova Scotia winters (but always with FWD or 4x4). This is my first RWD car, so maybe thats a factor. But even driving SLOW, in a straight line, the car likes to wiggle in deep snow/slush.

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I would love to take your car out for a spin in the snow someday just to see if it really is the car
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Old 11-27-2007, 03:16 PM   #29
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Serious as cancer. Tires are on their second winter (bought em brand new last year). They're Toyo Gripens (not sure of the exact model #). My last set of snow tires (which I also found sucked) were Michelin Pilot Alpins (since replaced by the X-Ice I think). In deep snow, this car is TERRIBLE. If your not following in someone elses tracks, good luck. Tire size is OEM stock, 205/55-16. I can't see how this is a problem with my driving. I've been driving for 21 years, and while I'm not a fantastic driver, I've driven in my share of horrible Nova Scotia winters (but always with FWD or 4x4). This is my first RWD car, so maybe thats a factor. But even driving SLOW, in a straight line, the car likes to wiggle in deep snow/slush.

Meegis: don't tempt me!! If I had the cash, I'd get a quattro wagon in a heartbeat for winter. I'm already tempted to refinance my house and head down to the USA with 20 grand to get a used one.
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It must be your specific car or the way you drive a RWD car. I've driven on highway 416 in Ottawa when it is dumped on, and had no issues with my E46 (with snows). It always feels steady with loads of traction. I've driven for years, even on the old highway 16 in Ottawa in middle of winter.

I've even shown friends how good my E36 and E46 were on the Michelin Alpines Snows. Parked the car on the hill which was snow covered, revved the engine to 3000 rpm and dropped the clutch. She just pulled up the hill, straight with no drama.
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Old 11-27-2007, 03:44 PM   #30
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Meegis: don't tempt me!! If I had the cash, I'd get a quattro wagon in a heartbeat for winter. I'm already tempted to refinance my house and head down to the USA with 20 grand to get a used one.

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Oh, I will keep tempting and prodding till you make me an offer... it's in my heritage

As for going south of the border to import.... unless its over 15 years old, a lot Audis are bitches to cross due to RIV restrictions. Also, the S4 is completely inadmissable.
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