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[MPulse]

With all the attention on street racing these days and the new laws going into effect it looks like its only going to get worse. So sadly today 2 women were killed in a 5 vehicle crash. Apparently a BMW and an Audi may have been street racing and caused this crash. Seems like every time I hear about a crash these days they end the story with "street racing may have been to blame". The media seems all too ready to blame it on street racing. Sorry about those women though thats pretty sad. Both driver lost their license and face criminal charges. Heres a question which may sound dumb but I really dont know. If you lose you license (G, or G2) under these new laws for the one week, but you also own a bike which is under the M liscense can you still ride?

[Eurostyle]

No, the two are linked, anything you do on one will reflect on the other....

[spoony_prelude]

Originally Posted by Eurostyle

No, the two are linked, anything you do on one will reflect on the other....

ya doesnt matters if its ur M, DZ AZ as long as its a licence to operate a motor vehicle you lose it! what about if ur a pilot can u still fly or no?

[Eurostyle]

^^^Good question!!! I'll ask my friend, her ex was a pilot...she might know!

P.S, i have an E36 glove box if you still need one! lol

[AceOfSpades]

do you have the full story like how did the crash happen?

[rdtx2005]

Speed blamed in fatal crash
ANDREW WALLACE/TORONTO STAR
Const. Adam Minnion of Peel region police at the scene where two women were killed in a crash on Highway 50, near Mayfield Rd., north of Major MacKenzie Dr., in Brampton, Ont., Oct. 6, 2007.
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Two brothers in custody after two women die in five-vehicle collision
Oct 07, 2007 04:30 AM
Tamsyn Burgmann
staff reporter

Just one week after Ontario's tough new street racing laws came into effect, Peel police have charged two brothers in a Brampton five-vehicle crash that killed two women.

Speeding is likely to blame, police said.

Witnesses told police two men – each driving a different car – were speeding in excess of 140 km/h just after noon yesterday when one lost control, setting off a chain reaction that sent three other cars careering across the road. The posted speed limit in the area is 80 km/h.

The women, believed to be in their late 30s or early 40s, from nearby Palgrave, were driving together in a burgundy Grand Am. Both were pronounced dead at the scene.

The brothers each face two counts of criminal negligence causing death, but street racing charges may soon follow.

"There was obviously evidence to suggest people were responsible," said Const. Adam Minnion of Peel Region police. "We can't confirm this is a racing incident just yet."

Investigators worked for more than nine hours, some of it during lightning and torrential rain, piecing together what happened from nearly 150 metres of wreckage.

Who hit whom is still unclear, Minnion said, but the road was dry at the time of the crash.

"It is such a destructive mess-up, they're still figuring out what happened," he said, describing it as the worst accident he's seen in nearly a decade of policing.

"There's literally cars everywhere."

Before the crash, two cars were travelling south along Highway 50, toward Mayfield Rd., north of Major MacKenzie Dr., police said.

Early evidence suggests one, believed to be a black or dark blue Audi, lost control first. The second car was a grey BMW.

"We don't know if they rear-ended (the Grand Am) at such a high speed to push them, or if they crossed over a lane and hit it," Minnion said.

"(But) the Audi lost control somehow – it almost sounds like one car was in front of the other."

When it was all over, the Audi – its front smashed into a guardrail – rested against a tractor-trailer stopped on the northbound shoulder of Highway 50.

The rig's driver was unhurt, having pulled over with moments to spare after hearing a general alert over his CB radio about the accident as it was happening.

Drivers and passengers of the other cars were treated for minor injuries on the scene. Both brothers were unhurt.

"There's no way to go to that scene and tell who was going which way," Minnion said. "The (cars) are everywhere."

Highway 50 from Mayfield Rd. to Castlemore Rd. was closed until around 10 p.m.

Charged are Steven Machado, 22, and Brian Machado, 27, of Mississauga.

They were taken into custody. A bail hearing is set for today.

Police seized their cars under new provincial legislation that stipulates the vehicle of any driver speeding more than 50 km/h over the limit will be impounded for seven days, and the driver's licence suspended, also for seven days. There is a minimum $2,000 fine on conviction.

At least 225 cars have been impounded since the law took effect last Sunday.

Yesterday's crash was the second fatal collision in the area in 24 hours.

A young woman was killed Friday when the car in which she was a passenger collided with another at the intersection of Finch and Steeles Aves. just before 7:45 p.m.

[rdtx2005]

[rdtx2005]

Originally Posted by MPulse

With all the attention on street racing these days and the new laws going into effect it looks like its only going to get worse. So sadly today 2 women were killed in a 5 vehicle crash. Apparently a BMW and an Audi may have been street racing and caused this crash. Seems like every time I hear about a crash these days they end the story with "street racing may have been to blame". The media seems all too ready to blame it on street racing. Sorry about those women though thats pretty sad. Both driver lost their license and face criminal charges. Heres a question which may sound dumb but I really dont know. If you lose you license (G, or G2) under these new laws for the one week, but you also own a bike which is under the M liscense can you still ride?

looking at the pictures of the crash.. it's hard to believe that speed was 'not' the cause of the deaths

[325isRED]

The worst part about this is the loss of life, But what really pisses me off, is that these were adults, 22 & 27.... ****ers

[AMG_POWER]

sad, I wonder whats the next law they gonna think of?

[jello_g]

No law is too harsh for idiots responsible for this sort of mayhem. Some people just don't deserve to drive ever.

[El Gato Liso]

heres one of the 2 brothers

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?...chado%2Csteven

[Soldo]

Originally Posted by spoony_prelude

ya doesnt matters if its ur M, DZ AZ as long as its a licence to operate a motor vehicle you lose it! what about if ur a pilot can u still fly or no?

Apperently that crash that happened in Brampton a few weeks ago with the truck driver and the 2 girls. The truck driver got his licence suspended but was able to keep his trucker's licence because he needs it for work!

[BigD]

Originally Posted by AMG_POWER

sad, I wonder whats the next law they gonna think of?

Just gotta keep upping the ante until people get the point. If losing your license and car isn't enough, start making it a criminal offense. Speeding isn't too different from walking into a not very busy supermarket and shooting a gun in random directions - odds are that 99% of the time no one will get hurt... but all it takes is a little "luck" and you'll easily kill someone. I'd personally much rather a blind person shoot a gun in my general direction than turn left as a light turns red, when some idiot decides he doesn't want to stop.

The main problem in this country is people drive so much, it's no more spectacular an event to them than breathing and they have no appreciation for what's involved. How many of you ever stop to think how many incredible things happen as you inhale? Well by the same token, how many of you ever stop to think that going 160kmh in a 2 ton car, you have about as much destructive energy as a pound of dynamite? Also how about the fact that in order to be an equal player in a collision as a minivan going 100kmh, a small car needs to travel about 140 kmh? (in other words, if a soccer mom in her minivan, mashes you in the back at 100 kmh, it's the same as if a normal car did it at 140)

Basic physics can be quite eye opening. But here's another one... Germany had about 7800 traffic fatalities in 1998 with a population of about 82 million. Canada had 3000 fatalities in 1997 with a population of 30 million. Disregarding population density since they are really about the same (we have more area but are clustered just like they are), that is pretty much the same rate. Germany is a country with extremely strict traffic laws where you lose your license for things like passing on the right. You know what, those death rates are pretty damn close to being exactly the same. The only conclusion I can come from this, which is normally obvious but sometimes lost when people clutch at straws to look for the "source" of the problem to find some knee jerk solution - there are stupid people EVERYWHERE, who are liable to do stupid shit and sometimes kill people as a result.

So while I think Canada is moving in the right direction with big brothering the roads, it's never going to make a huge difference unless they drastically change how we drive (ie all cars will be tracked and automatically shut down and fined/impounded when the driver speeds). Even if they mandate speed governors, the fix for someone who really wants one is a phone call to MarkD away.

[dbworld4k]

BTW, does this street racing law apply to highways only, or local roads too? I'm wondering because it is filed under the HTA - so basically, what roads does the HTA apply to?