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Old 01-15-2003, 02:37 AM   #31
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It's an NSX Type-R. 290HP....also....

NSX-R Gearing

4.23:1
2.53:1
1.67:1
1.23:1
1.00:1
0.83:1

Final : 4.62:1

2003 M3 Gearing

3.07:1
1.96:1
1.43:1
1.12:1
0.91:1
0.72:1

Final : 3.64:1

Faster Gearing goes to the NSX.

M3 does have slightly larger breaks and tires. The NSX does have the aerodynamic advantage as well as a lower and more centered weight distribution. The NSR Type-R also has the overall weight advantage at a little over 2800lbs. My opinion is that this is completely possible for the NSX to do that well.

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who said anything about an M3?!?
were talking about the GEMBALLA losing to a NSX, does anyone have the gearing for THAT porsche?!?!
secondly, i think the M3 has a close to 50/50 weight distribution NO?!?!
whats the NSX's?!?!
just wondering, i have a hard time believng this race, why didn't the just put a CIVIC DX iin it, and there would STILL be some people that would think that a shitty car like THAT could compete!!!
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Old 01-15-2003, 02:54 AM   #32
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Dude, I totally agree with you, its Japanese btw.. the Mercilago shoulda been pulling way more, it looks like most of the drivers werent trying.. and the Lambo driver didnt gun it till the end where he blew past the NSX.
oops~ I missed the whole 2nd page... anyways, Gamite u're rite, they're NOT trying...~ if they trashed any one of those cars they're DONE!!! so they were "just trying".... i guess?
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Old 01-15-2003, 12:27 PM   #33
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Please explain:

NSX 3.2: 290hp @ 7100 rpm

3164 lbs

Euro M3 321hp with equal weight

In Japan your not supposed have more than 280 hp thats the law.
If you look at factory hp specs for rx-7, supra, GT-R they're all at 280hp.

nsx-r's run 12.805 1/4 times
Sorry there chap the NSX-R weighs 1270kgs thats like 2032lbs!!!!
3177cc V6 DOHC VTEC
280ps @ 7300rpm
I think you got the nsx north american specs, the like the heavey ass nsx-t (targa)

you know the motor sits in the middle...the cars a rear wheel drive.
Didn't you ever look at 1/4 and 0-60 times on naturally aspirated porsches and scratch your head? They pull off some really fast times even if they are N/A. Look where the motor sits behind the rear wheels.

The NSX makes 500hp from 3.2litres in the A-spec touring races.
did you just read those numbers????
500hp from 3.2L!!!!!
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Old 01-15-2003, 12:39 PM   #34
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But still I don't understand how the Gemballa gt 500 thats 500hp kiddies, lost to the NSX-R

I think the driver of the Gemballa was scared shitless.
most of the press I've read about on the Gemballa's the general impression was it scares the shit out of people.
Especially the GT750!!!
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Old 01-15-2003, 09:41 PM   #35
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In Japan your not supposed have more than 280 hp thats the law.
It's the gentleman's agreement that the Japanese car makers put upon themselves not to go over 280. However, the Type-R isn't a standard street car as the Supra or Skyline are...it's meant as more of a mix track/street car. The Regular NSX, as you know, only has 280HP.

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Old 01-15-2003, 10:33 PM   #36
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In Japan your not supposed have more than 280 hp thats the law.
If you look at factory hp specs for rx-7, supra, GT-R they're all at 280hp.

nsx-r's run 12.805 1/4 times
Sorry there chap the NSX-R weighs 1270kgs thats like 2032lbs!!!!
3177cc V6 DOHC VTEC
280ps @ 7300rpm
I think you got the nsx north american specs, the like the heavey ass nsx-t (targa)

you know the motor sits in the middle...the cars a rear wheel drive.
Didn't you ever look at 1/4 and 0-60 times on naturally aspirated porsches and scratch your head? They pull off some really fast times even if they are N/A. Look where the motor sits behind the rear wheels.

The NSX makes 500hp from 3.2litres in the A-spec touring races.
did you just read those numbers????
500hp from 3.2L!!!!!
Jolly o, cheerio chap, sorry about that. I just got the north american specs cause I assumed the cars were the same. In any case I was asking why the NSX was faster than the E36 euro M3, not disrespecting it.

Doesnt BMW make 700hp from a N/A 1.6 L engine in F1 (correct me if Im wrong, but Im probably not that far off)

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Old school F1 cars using 1.6L Turbocharged engines (pushing 96PSI) got around 1200HP.

Current F1 cars are 10-cylinder, 3.0L, NA engines that produce between 600HP and 800HP.

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Old 01-16-2003, 12:04 AM   #38
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who said anything about an M3?!?
were talking about the GEMBALLA losing to a NSX, does anyone have the gearing for THAT porsche?!?!
secondly, i think the M3 has a close to 50/50 weight distribution NO?!?!
whats the NSX's?!?!
just wondering, i have a hard time believng this race, why didn't the just put a CIVIC DX iin it, and there would STILL be some people that would think that a shitty car like THAT could compete!!!
I dont know if noticed but all the cars were faster then NSX-R in the straights its the coners it passed the lambo and stayed in front of the gemballa have you ever tried putting the power down in a car with that much HP and TQ? The NSX-R handles the best out of those cars in the coners but doesnt ahve the power in the straights.
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by the way if anybody would like to race my nsx? come and try it, all come down to toronto just for u guys
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Old 01-16-2003, 12:23 AM   #40
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by the way if anybody would like to race my nsx? come and try it, all come down to toronto just for u guys
Dude, no one is dogging the NSX, I think its a great car, probably the best honda/acura ever produced. But it's a little hard to believe, how well it did in that race with cars with twice to almost three times its power! I think the NSX is a sick car (a little overpriced) but a sick car nonetheless.
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Old 01-16-2003, 02:39 AM   #41
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Dude, no one is dogging the NSX, I think its a great car, probably the best honda/acura ever produced. But it's a little hard to believe, how well it did in that race with cars with twice to almost three times its power! I think the NSX is a sick car (a little overpriced) but a sick car nonetheless.
hey MK GINO, don't kid yourself, lets not say "NO ONE, is DOGGING the NSX" cause thats EXACTLY what i'm doing!!!!

but anyways, the GEMBALLA does not hve TOO MUCH power on the turns, cause they know how to keep that power TO THE GROUND, so it should STILL have beaten the NSX, look, if we were to conduct THE SAME RACE, with ACTUALL drivers, you'd see that the NSX would end up dead last, AND laped a few times, AS IT SHOULD BE!!!!
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Old 01-16-2003, 11:44 AM   #42
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Dude, no one is dogging the NSX, I think its a great car, probably the best honda/acura ever produced. But it's a little hard to believe, how well it did in that race with cars with twice to almost three times its power! I think the NSX is a sick car (a little overpriced) but a sick car nonetheless.
Once again, somebody who's NEVER BEEN TO THE RACE TRACK is trying to figure out why a car with minimal HP can beat the so called *exotics*.

Let's see...my 172 HP 325is will run laps around an E46 M3 even at a track like Mosport.... Sure, I'll lose on the back straight, but by the time he gets to turn 10, I'm back on his bumper again, and will pass him in turn 1.


Just like the NSX in that video. Lambo's suck on the race course...they are a Boulevard cruising car for old guys dependent upon Viagra. NOBODY races a Lambo in any modern race series...for the simple reason is that they are NOT a good race car. Wouldn't take one if somebody offered it to me.

Doesn't matter how much HP you have...HP is one of the final factors in making a car quick on the race track. The Lambo weighs in at more than 4000 lbs. MASS is the enemy on the race track...takes more brakes to slow down 4000 lbs, you can't corner as fast with 4000 lbs and you can't accelerate as fast with 4000 lbs.

As well, all the HP in the world can't do you any good if you can't use it all. In a corner, the guy who wins is the one who can put the power down and accelerate through the corner and out the other side. With too much power, it's easy to break the rear wheels loose and lose the back end in a corner. Then you're f**ked....


Quit focussing on HP in a race guys...so much more is required to be quick on the race track.


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Old 01-16-2003, 06:16 PM   #43
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im aware of all these factors, and i've been to a track myself, so i know its not ONLY about POWER, and i'm not talking about the lambo, but rather the porsche, you see, a porsche has EVERYTHING better than an NSX, look, its LIGHTER, MORE POWER, it also has an AWD (thats iff its a turbo model, or like the 4s), and it has more power, not only that, but porsches are pretty much BREAD on a race track, thats what their made for!!!!
so NOW, can someone PLEASE give me a GOOD answer to why the PORSCHE LOST?!??!?!?!?!

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The Porsche isn't necessarily a better race car than the NSX....

In the Speed World GT car class, an Audi A4 won, and not the numerous Porsches that were entered. While Porsche does have a great racing history, it's not an automatic win as far as a car goes.

The NSX is a far better balanced chassis than the Porsche; it's not as tail happy, and responds to early throttle input better. As well, it's a LOT more forgiving of driver error than the Porsche is.

Also, as HP is upped on the Porsche's, the driveability tends to drop...it's much harder to put the power down mid corner. Too much power, and the rear end breaks loose. Too little power, and the weight transfer to the front end causes the rear end to break loose. The NSX is far more capable of high speed cornering than the Porsche is...

It's the same thing that happened to the BMW M3 GTR vs Porsche in the ALMS in 2001. The M3 could corner so much quicker, in spite of the Porsche having significantly more HP, and about a 20 MPH advantage in top end speed.

It's easy to see that Porsche not winning...especially on that track.


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