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Old 09-01-2007, 05:17 PM   #31
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He said rods, pistons sleeves and so on.
Out of a titanium and platinum alloy?
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Old 09-01-2007, 05:44 PM   #32
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card counter's 328 from bf.c made 690whp on completely stock internals, but it was also on race gas.

Anyway, I really think it all comes down to R&D. Japanese market is much more tuner friendly. I mean just think about it, there is only a handful of tuners for BMW out there, and a couple that use FI. The thing is, would you wanna drive a 1000whp 2.0l car? It is impressive though.
No for sure, I'm not inferring anything about the practicality or hell even repeatability of any of these numbers - I've heard that the 1200hp RB25s is a one shot deal. And I'm not sure I agree about the R&D market. Is the Japanese tuner R&D that much stronger than that in Europe. **** the US, all they know how to do is to slap a big supercharger on a pushrod V8. But in Europe, especially the more affluent countries like Germany, are there really fewer tuners there? I mean in Germany, BMW, Audi and Benz etc is like Nissan and Toyota to Japan or Chevy and Dodge is to the Yanks. We've all seen the VS Motor guys with their 1100 hp 3.8 M5...

But unlike the 1100 hp M5, as a result of the 1200hp Skylines and Supras, the recipe for a 600 rwhp pump gas 15 year old 3.0 Supra is relatively straightforward. Why is it that 600 rwhp out of a 3.3 super duper 2000+ M3 is such a spectacular event?

Are there videos of E46 M3s that can go like this on a stock motor and an upgraded turbo (in the Supra's case):




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Old 09-01-2007, 06:09 PM   #33
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And I'm not sure I agree about the R&D market. Is the Japanese tuner R&D that much stronger than that in Europe.
I believe it is. But it's only stronger because of the bigger market for cars like this. If you look at the most powerful BMW's, they are usually from Scandinavian countries and from USA.


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**** the US, all they know how to do is to slap a big supercharger on a pushrod V8.
At least they are drivable.


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But in Europe, especially the more affluent countries like Germany, are there really fewer tuners there? I mean in Germany, BMW, Audi and Benz etc is like Nissan and Toyota to Japan or Chevy and Dodge is to the Yanks.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say here.

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We've all seen the VS Motor guys with their 1100 hp 3.8 M5...
We've seen it, but ICS's 1000whp m3 is more impressive, at least it looks like a BMW engine.

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But unlike the 1100 hp M5, as a result of the 1200hp Skylines and Supras, the recipe for a 600 rwhp pump gas 15 year old 3.0 Supra is relatively straightforward.
Is there? Right now I dont know anymore, not everyone mentions race gas.

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Why is it that 600 rwhp out of a 3.3 super duper 2000+ M3 is such a spectacular event?
Because it's a first, because S54 and supra engines are completely different engines.
One was made to be NA, and not just any NA, but 100hp/l high revving, high CR NA.
Another one was built to be turbocharged from the beginning.

Still not impressed with all this race gas BS.
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Old 09-01-2007, 07:57 PM   #34
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I don't see the problem with race gas. You can drive around town with the pump gas setting on and when you want to go crazy, put in the race fuel and hit the switch and bam! 600rwhp. You can't do that with a S/Cer. Not to mention the TQ #'s from the turbo. Peak hp # aren't everything.

I'll race the guy who bought my S/Cer. He upgraded to a AA stage 3. He put down 440rwhp without the W/A activated. Even though it's a cab M3 I "should pull him pretty good with the TQ increase.
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Old 09-02-2007, 03:40 PM   #35
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BigD , these cars do make some pretty decent power. there are quite a lot of BMW's hitting the 1000hp mark. Fabs car is capable of so much more, but he would have to crack the engine to lower the compression. there is a guy who make 1000hp on an e46 M3 recently using a fully custom AA kit and some minor internal work. so the potential is there, the money is pretty steep though.
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Old 09-02-2007, 04:35 PM   #36
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Congrats fab, this car is going to be even better than before!
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Old 09-02-2007, 09:55 PM   #37
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If I remember correctly, the HPF rep mentioned that the turbo they used for this setup is already close to maxing out efficency wise. So if this is true, then using a slightly larger turbo will increase it's efficiency and more room for to increase power.

It's like when AA Turbo Stage I Gen III came out, it was using a TD06-20G (I think) and later stage II had an upgrade with the T60-1 compressor wheel. With this setup, they put around anywhere from 350whp-500whp. Now a days, some of the 600whp+ E36 M3 guys are using the GT35R, GT40R, PT76, etc. They're more efficient, have better boost response as they're dual ball bearing, and more potential to run a higher HP setup.
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Old 09-04-2007, 02:50 PM   #38
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how much does the hpf kit cost?
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Old 09-04-2007, 06:41 PM   #39
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how much does the hpf kit cost?
$16,800usd for the kit and the clutch. You have to pay to play
If anyone is interested let me know and I'll try to hook you up.
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Old 09-05-2007, 02:10 AM   #40
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So any updates Fab? Is the 1st Canadian HPF750 gonna make it to Bimmercruise '07?
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Old 09-05-2007, 06:27 PM   #41
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So any updates Fab? Is the 1st Canadian HPF750 gonna make it to Bimmercruise '07?
Unfortunately not. When the shop took my AA S/Cer off, they simply put all my parts on the other car and gave him his spares. Now I'm left with about 10 or so missing parts to find before the install. I really don't want to spend and extra $3/400 if I don't have to.
The guy who bought the kit said he's going to give me the parts. Now it's just a matter of getting them and sending it to HPF. HPF is going to give my the first all chrome piping and manifold set up. So it should look good at the shows and meets.

I'll keep you guys posted if I hear more.
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Old 09-05-2007, 09:11 PM   #42
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Here's what is going to be installed these next couple of weeks:

Blue Neon underglo kit - lol!
Plug-n-play piggy-back engine management system
Six Drop-in 750cc "high impedance" injectors (no fuel rail mods required)
Auxiliary fuel pump w/filter that turns on at 3psi w/electronic connector
Ceramic coated 2-Piece (CNC'd flange) exhaust manifold
Precision T67 turbo w/.81 AR
Tial 44mm V-band wastegate w/reroute
Stainless steel downpipe
Powdercoated Intake manifold designed for both dry and wet flow
Intake manifold couplers w/clamps
Twin HKS blow off valves
Polished or Anodized (4" x 24" core) bar & plate intercooler
Powdercoated aluminum intercooler piping
Powdercoated aluminum intake piping
4 ply silicon couplers
T-bolt intercooler clamps
KN intake filter with clamp
Steering column mounted dual pod
AEM UEGO wide-band gauge
AEM boost gauge
Race fuel switch w/LED
Knock siren
Six Denso Iridium Spark plugs
Harnesses for fuel pump and oil pump assemblies
Harnesses for gauges, race fuel switch, LED and knock siren
Oil pump with mounting bracket and electronic connector
One piece oil pump feed and return lines
One piece turbo oil feed and one piece head to pan oil line
Multiple vacuum lines w/quick disconnects
AEM 3.5bar map sensor
Boost control solenoid
Intake air temp sensor
Engine bay brackets
Gaskets, bolts, studs, nuts, washers
Fittings and block-off plates
HPF M3 Ceramic Stage 1 clutch.
Fuzzy Dice

I hope the weather is still good mid September.
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Old 09-06-2007, 03:11 PM   #43
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^ wow.

I like how the neon kit is listed first. ... How much power does that add??
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Old 09-07-2007, 12:24 AM   #44
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Here's what is going to be installed these next couple of weeks:

Blue Neon underglo kit
Plug-n-play stand alone engine management system
Six Drop-in 750cc "high impedance" injectors (no fuel rail mods required)
Auxiliary fuel pump w/filter that turns on at 3psi w/electronic connector
Ceramic coated 2-Piece CNC'd exhaust manifold
Precision T67 turbo w/.81 AR
Tial 44mm V-band wastegate w/reroute
Stainless steel downpipe
Powdercoated Intake manifold designed for both dry and wet flow
Intake manifold couplers w/clamps
Twin HKS blow off valves
Polished or Anodized (4" x 24" core) bar-n-play intercooler
Powdercoated aluminum intercooler piping
Powdercoated aluminum intake piping
4 ply silicon couplers
T-bolt intercooler clamps
KN intake filter with clamp
Steering column mounted dual pod
AEM UEGO wide-band gauge
AEM boost gauge
Race fuel switch w/LED
Knock siren
Six Denso Irridium Spark plugs
Harnesses for fuel pump and oil pump assemblies
Harnesses for gauges, race fuel switch, LED and knock siren
Oil pump with mounting bracket and electronic connector
One piece oil pump feed and return lines
One piece turbo oil feed and one piece head to pan oil line
Multiple vacuum lines w/quick disconnects
AEM 3.5bar map sensor
Boost control solenoid
Intake air temp sensor
Engine bay brackets
Gaskets, bolts, studs, nuts, washers
Fittings and block off plates
HPF M3 Feramic Stage 1 clutch.
Fuzzy Dice

I hope the weather is still good mid September.
looks like a nice list of toys

but why the Blue Neon underglo kit? for show use?
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why the Blue Neon underglo kit? for show use?


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