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Old 08-31-2007, 05:16 PM   #16
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so all those 600whp HPF cars were dynoed on race gas?
I'm sorry Fabio, but 415whp isnt that impressive. Didnt you put down more with your SC?
I don't understand what you're expecting from a high CR motor w/ stock internals... on 91 octane 415whp is pretty good IMO.

I don't think a S/C setup will make any more then that.
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Old 08-31-2007, 05:42 PM   #17
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who cares? just use race gas. i'm pretty sure fab can afford it.
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Old 08-31-2007, 06:09 PM   #18
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I don't understand what you're expecting from a high CR motor w/ stock internals... on 91 octane 415whp is pretty good IMO.

I don't think a S/C setup will make any more then that.

If I remember correctly Fab's car dynoed at 440rwhp on pump gas with his SC. I might be wrong though.

For 16k i definitely expected more than 415whp.
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Old 08-31-2007, 07:05 PM   #19
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If I remember correctly Fab's car dynoed at 440rwhp on pump gas with his SC. I might be wrong though.

For 16k i definitely expected more than 415whp.
It's capable of alot more obviously, its 415whp @5psi. If the supercharger did make more, im sure it was building more than 5psi.

Wouldn't you perfer a few less hp over reliability? hahah or is reliability not a concern of yours? since your m3 hasn't exactly been that reliable since the SC.

A littel tuning and im sure he can make more power with a few more psi, but again its a stock motor, don't want it to go kaboom yet.
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Old 08-31-2007, 07:17 PM   #20
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My car will have more like 450rwhp. The race gas setting will be around 600. I don't want to push my luck just yet. Stage 2 will have Meth injection and the pump #'s will be alot higher. Till then, I guess I'll have to settle for "only" 450 pump and 600 race settings.

BTW the car won't be ready for BC. I'm missing alot of stock parts that HPF has to get for me. But as soon as it's here, you guys better come to one of the meets.
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Old 09-01-2007, 09:18 AM   #21
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video of that 1000hp EVO at the shop if anyones interested:

http://honda-portal.com/honda-videos.php?video_id=331
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video of that 1000hp EVO at the shop if anyones interested:

http://honda-portal.com/honda-videos.php?video_id=331
I was just gonna point that out... they shouldn't have mentioned that car as it's hard to get excited about these M3s when a car with 40% less displacement makes 60% more power, through an AWD drivetrain no less.
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I was just gonna point that out... they shouldn't have mentioned that car as it's hard to get excited about these M3s when a car with 40% less displacement makes 60% more power, through an AWD drivetrain no less.
Yes but one has a fully built motor and the other is completely stock. One is track only(evo has no exhaust) and the other is...... well not street legal(M3 has no cats)
I don't even have the car yet and I want stage 2! I have issues
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Yes but one has a fully built motor and the other is completely stock. One is track only(evo has no exhaust) and the other is...... well not street legal(M3 has no cats)
I don't even have the car yet and I want stage 2! I have issues
Ok I can't contain it anymore... can someone finally explain to me why these engines can't put down big numbers? I've seen 1000hp out of the S62, and 1100hp out of an S38 that was mutated to hell and back. But why is it that people can get 800+hp out of a 3 liter Toyota engine on stock internals? What is so special about those engines and why can't people put down the same claims with BMWs without working on the motor from the ground up - at which point the japs can dyno a 2 liter at 1000 as we just saw, or 2.5 liter at 1200hp etc...
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AA did a turbo e46 m3 with internals that dynoed 830ish rwhp but cost over $50 large. Lots of 325 turbos are running over 600rwhp. But all these engines are low compression motors. HPF did extract 667rwhp from a stock e46 m3? Not to bad, but they did have to use race fuel.
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Old 09-01-2007, 12:09 PM   #26
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BTW, I was talking to a skyline owner and he told me that to get over 500rwhp on that car(r32) that it would cost him about $30,000. And that car is known for it's ability for adding cheap power.
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Wow... what did the 30k involve?
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Old 09-01-2007, 01:58 PM   #28
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He said rods, pistons sleeves and so on.
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It's capable of alot more obviously, its 415whp @5psi. If the supercharger did make more, im sure it was building more than 5psi.
obviously?? why is it obvious?

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Wouldn't you perfer a few less hp over reliability? hahah or is reliability not a concern of yours? since your m3 hasn't exactly been that reliable since the SC.
If I remember correctly Fab's car made around 440whp while it was supercharged. Let me add, it was an AA sc, meaning RELIABLE.
I was under impression that HPF turbo would make much more HP on street gas.
Anyway, we'll see when Fab is done.
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Ok I can't contain it anymore... can someone finally explain to me why these engines can't put down big numbers? I've seen 1000hp out of the S62, and 1100hp out of an S38 that was mutated to hell and back. But why is it that people can get 800+hp out of a 3 liter Toyota engine on stock internals? What is so special about those engines and why can't people put down the same claims with BMWs without working on the motor from the ground up - at which point the japs can dyno a 2 liter at 1000 as we just saw, or 2.5 liter at 1200hp etc...
card counter's 328 from bf.c made 690whp on completely stock internals, but it was also on race gas.

Anyway, I really think it all comes down to R&D. Japanese market is much more tuner friendly. I mean just think about it, there is only a handful of tuners for BMW out there, and a couple that use FI. The thing is, would you wanna drive a 1000whp 2.0l car? It is impressive though.
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