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06-19-2007, 03:52 PM
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My other car's a jet.
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Milton, Ontario
Posts: 1,066
Car: 1998 328i 2002 911
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Where to mount belts?
I just picked up a set of sparco turino seats, and I was wondering if any one had any pics of seatbelt installs. I'm planning on using sparco 3 point belts.
They have a single rear ataching point. I am going to use the rear seat buckle for the atachment point under the rear seat. What do you guys think?
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06-19-2007, 05:40 PM
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6th Gear Member
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 2,596
Car: E36 Dinan 332is
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I'm running the Schroth quick fit "clip in" harness with my Torino. Basically, it's awesome. You can run it when you want, and take it out in like 5 secs. No pics at the moment, but i'll see what i can do.... I would highly recommend the Schroths, as they are street legal.
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06-19-2007, 10:01 PM
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My other car's a jet.
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Milton, Ontario
Posts: 1,066
Car: 1998 328i 2002 911
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belts
Where did you mount the belts to?
Do you know the part# of the belts?
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06-19-2007, 10:25 PM
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moderationistismingly
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Bradford, ON
Posts: 8,808
Car: 97 328is/05 Outback
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First off, don't use a harness on the street, especially without a rollbar. Second, don't attach the belt to a point lower than your shoulders unless you're using a harness bar.
If you crash, you'll have some nice spinal compression injuries, if you roll you'll have a broken neck.
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06-19-2007, 11:02 PM
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My other car's a jet.
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Milton, Ontario
Posts: 1,066
Car: 1998 328i 2002 911
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Well your the second person to say that today?
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06-19-2007, 11:05 PM
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My other car's a jet.
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Milton, Ontario
Posts: 1,066
Car: 1998 328i 2002 911
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I was planning on using harness at the track, and regular belts on the street.
If I crash there is no diff between track and street?
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06-19-2007, 11:08 PM
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moderationistismingly
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Bradford, ON
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Car: 97 328is/05 Outback
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I'd only ever use the harness without a rollbar/cage at an auto-x, never at a full speed track.
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"Driving is like a narcotic, an addiction that can take over lives. It ruins people, breaks families apart, and even kills. It’s habit that needs to be fueled. Time, money, rationality, sweat, knuckle skin, and anyone who disapproves are of little importance to a driver, and are often overlooked. Hi, I’m Nelson, and I’m a drivaholic."
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06-19-2007, 11:12 PM
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My other car's a jet.
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Milton, Ontario
Posts: 1,066
Car: 1998 328i 2002 911
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You really have me thinking now. 
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06-19-2007, 11:14 PM
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My other car's a jet.
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Milton, Ontario
Posts: 1,066
Car: 1998 328i 2002 911
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Whats you opinion on steering wheels? I'm on the fence about this one.
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06-20-2007, 10:39 PM
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moderationistismingly
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Bradford, ON
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Car: 97 328is/05 Outback
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If you get one and you plan to auto-x, make sure it's totally round. If it's for street/track, doesn't matter if it has a weird shape, it's personal preferance. 320-330mm is a decent size.
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"Driving is like a narcotic, an addiction that can take over lives. It ruins people, breaks families apart, and even kills. It’s habit that needs to be fueled. Time, money, rationality, sweat, knuckle skin, and anyone who disapproves are of little importance to a driver, and are often overlooked. Hi, I’m Nelson, and I’m a drivaholic."
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06-22-2007, 11:23 AM
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My other car's a jet.
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Milton, Ontario
Posts: 1,066
Car: 1998 328i 2002 911
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Thanks for the suggestions.
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06-22-2007, 12:11 PM
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6th Gear Member
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 2,596
Car: E36 Dinan 332is
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Originally Posted by thinair
First off, don't use a harness on the street, especially without a rollbar. Second, don't attach the belt to a point lower than your shoulders unless you're using a harness bar.
If you crash, you'll have some nice spinal compression injuries, if you roll you'll have a broken neck.
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Do you still believe this to be true of the Schroths? From what I understand, they have an added feature making them suitable for street use. It is supposed to cut down on the compression injuries. They are DOT approved and carry an FMVSS# so I would assume they are safe.
Personally, I find that the stock belt doesn't ride right with the Sparco. It rides high on the edge of the seat, has a tendency to want to twist, and crosses too high near my neck. Even on the lowest setting. It's not comfortable, and judging by where it contacts my neck region, would be much more likely to injure me in a crash than the harness. I feel safer with the harness to be honest. Just my two cents...
EDIT*** from the website:.
What is Schroth asm® Technology and how does it work?
asm® is the abbreviation for anti-sub-marining, a mechanism created by Schroth to reduce the risk of submarining or sliding underneath the lap belt. Submarining can cause serious, even life threatening injuries to legs, spine and internal organs. How does asm® work? The device is positioned on the in-board strap of Schroth's double-shoulder harness. When the energy converter is deployed (caused by dynamic forces of instant deceleration) it forces the driver's torso and hips to rotate slightly into an asymmetrical posture which tightens the lap belt milliseconds faster.
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Are the Schroth Rallye line of harness belts really street legal AND how can I prove it?
Located on the plastic ASM mechanism on the inboard shoulder belt of each harness, you will see the letters/numbers "FMVSS 209". The DOT created this Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS) 209 and Schroth has certified that the Schroth Rallye belts meet or exceed that standard, and therefore are street legal.
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Last edited by 98Dinan3; 06-22-2007 at 12:17 PM.
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06-22-2007, 04:57 PM
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My other car's a jet.
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Milton, Ontario
Posts: 1,066
Car: 1998 328i 2002 911
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Can you take some pics of how you mounted the belts.
Thanks
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06-22-2007, 05:09 PM
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moderationistismingly
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Bradford, ON
Posts: 8,808
Car: 97 328is/05 Outback
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by 98Dinan3
Personally, I find that the stock belt doesn't ride right with the Sparco. It rides high on the edge of the seat, has a tendency to want to twist, and crosses too high near my neck.
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I just untwisted the seatbelt by unbolting it from the bottom of the B pillar and rotating it 180º.
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"Driving is like a narcotic, an addiction that can take over lives. It ruins people, breaks families apart, and even kills. It’s habit that needs to be fueled. Time, money, rationality, sweat, knuckle skin, and anyone who disapproves are of little importance to a driver, and are often overlooked. Hi, I’m Nelson, and I’m a drivaholic."
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06-22-2007, 06:19 PM
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6th Gear Member
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 2,596
Car: E36 Dinan 332is
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that's a good idea...I didn't think of that, but it would still ride too high on my neck. What do you think of the Schroth info I posted? Still unsafe, even with the DOT approval? I'd like your thoughts if you've got the time...
Edit**** just found this on the website also...
Just how good are Schroth harness belts?
Schroth harness belts are so good, that in Germany, you can order them on your BMW as an OE Factory Option!
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Last edited by 98Dinan3; 06-22-2007 at 06:31 PM.
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