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Old 12-16-2006, 05:45 PM   #31
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Alright, just because the all mighty deep told me too!!!!!!!!!



Seriously, it's a halfass bandaid solution. Removing the first gen DRL's are a must.
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Old 12-16-2006, 07:33 PM   #32
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Who gives a rat's ass? It's DRL! It doesn't do shit to change the appearance of the car...

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Yes it does. You are honestly telling me a car with rear lights on + front low beams + angel eyes + corner lights look the exact same as a car with all of the light off? I'm still lost on this.


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It doesn't cause a problem when new, but eventually it wears it down once the car is a decade + old. Think of it, two headlights, (2 @ 55W), all clearance lights (6 @ 10 W each), and two rear lights (2 @ 20W each). You have 210W of power drain evertime you turn the car on, so in other words, 17.5A on the alternator, assuming 12V. So yeah, that's significant enough to want to remove it. Not to mention ALL those lights need to be replaced more often because they are always on, and you have a pretty shitty solution to an easy problem. Why didn't BMW do it then like they do it now? 25 W to high beams?
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Still doesn't make sense - I had a 12 year old Honda that didn't have a problem...

Just get a new battery and alternator....

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Do you know how much it costs to replace a battery and alternator? Certainly more expensive than getting your DRLs re-wired.






I'm also annoyed by my daytime running lights. I would like to invest in an HID kit, but I am not, for the sole fact that when I turn my BMW on, all of my lights are on. When I turn on my car, a big jolt of power is already being pulled for the starter. the HID ballast also needs a big jolt of power to create the arc in the actual HID bulb, meaning... blown HID ballasts and a stressed alternator. DRLs? no thanks.
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Old 12-16-2006, 08:05 PM   #33
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^^on e36's we have similar problems.

I pulled the bulbs out of my highbeams. Why? Because i have 6000K HID's in my low's, and dont want ugly yellow lights next to them.

Yes, halogen's are yellow. All of them. Osram, bla bla bla, yellow.

It makes the car look much cleaner, and as for having lights on during the day? i drive with at least my CCFL's if not my fogs on during the day, believe, me, you'll see the car.
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Old 12-16-2006, 10:57 PM   #34
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Alright, just because the all mighty deep told me too!!!!!!!!!



Seriously, it's a halfass bandaid solution. Removing the first gen DRL's are a must.
no need to be a freaking jack ass...

It's alot of discussion over something pretty seemingly useless...

But yet - another wonder of BMW engineering...

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Old 12-17-2006, 10:40 AM   #35
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Not an expert on this but here is some information from Motor Vehicle Safety act, under Daytime Running Lamps section .....

http://www.tc.gc.ca/acts-regulations...html#Switching

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(54) Subject to subsections (55) and (56), daytime running lamps shall be on continuously when the engine is operating and the master lighting switch is not in the headlamps on position.

(55) Daytime running lamps may switch off

(a) while the automatic transmission control is in the park or neutral position;

(b) while the parking brake is applied; or

(c) after the engine is started but prior to the vehicle being set in motion for the first time.

(56) A daytime running lamp that is optically combined with a turn signal lamp shall switch off while the turn signal lamp is switched on as a turn signal or hazard warning signal.

(57) Daytime running lamps shall switch off

(a) whenever the master lighting switch is moved to the headlamps on position; and

(b) where the lamps are on a vehicle equipped with concealable headlamps and the master light switch is moved to the headlamps on position, once the headlamps attain the fully open position.

(58) Where the lower beams of the headlamps operating at normal operating voltage are used as daytime running lamps,

(a) it shall not be possible to activate the upper beams of the headlamps except for signalling purposes;

(b) where there is a tell-tale that is automatically activated, and visible to the driver, in dark ambient light conditions to indicate that the tail lamps, licence plate lamps, side marker lamps and parking lamps are switched off, those lamps shall not come on automatically; and

(c) where there is no tell-tale that is automatically activated, the lamps referred to in paragraph (b)

(i) shall come on automatically and remain on in all ambient light conditions, or

(ii) shall come on automatically in dark ambient light conditions.

(59) Despite section S5.5.1 of TSD 108, the lower beams and upper beams of the headlamps may be activated simultaneously when the headlamps are in use as daytime running lamps.

(60) Despite section S5.5.10(d) of TSD 108, daytime running lamps may be wired to flash for signalling purposes.

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Old 12-17-2006, 10:43 AM   #36
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(c) after the engine is started but prior to the vehicle being set in motion for the first time. "

So you can turn them off, you just have to do it before you start moving.

however it seems the phrasing would imply they have to turn on when you start the car.

Or just never turn your car off
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(c) after the engine is started but prior to the vehicle being set in motion for the first time. "

So you can turn them off, you just have to do it before you start moving.

however it seems the phrasing would imply they have to turn on when you start the car.

Or just never turn your car off
Huh? It says that it can be off when the car is turned on UNTIL it's put into motion at which time they should turn on.

It would seem you DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE and must use them.

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(55) Daytime running lamps may switch off:
(c) after the engine is started but prior to the vehicle being set in motion for the first time.


where does it say you have to turn them back on?
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Old 12-17-2006, 11:05 AM   #39
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(55) Daytime running lamps may switch off:
(c) after the engine is started but prior to the vehicle being set in motion for the first time.
EXACTLY!

"but prior to the vehicle being set in motion for the first time" indicates that they must be ON at that time.

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Old 12-17-2006, 11:06 AM   #40
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^^on e36's we have similar problems.

I pulled the bulbs out of my highbeams. Why? Because i have 6000K HID's in my low's, and dont want ugly yellow lights next to them.

Yes, halogen's are yellow. All of them. Osram, bla bla bla, yellow.

It makes the car look much cleaner, and as for having lights on during the day? i drive with at least my CCFL's if not my fogs on during the day, believe, me, you'll see the car.
I have HID and don't have this issue. Is it because you have an early e36?

When I start my car, my highs turn on at 50% automatically (DRL). And yes, they're slightly yellowish.

But then I just turn my lights to FULL on and my HID kicks in and my DRL disappear. So when I run HID, they are the only headlights on... I never get the ugly yellow at the same time as the HID. (Except when I turn my HIGHs on)
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no need to be a freaking jack ass...

It's alot of discussion over something pretty seemingly useless...

But yet - another wonder of BMW engineering...

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Yes, BMW can't make cars because you got a lemon. Should I start making other stereo types?
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Old 12-17-2006, 12:57 PM   #42
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You said it puts stress on an old alternator... Get a new alternator and battery and you should be fine!

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LOL. It would put stress on a new alt too. Then it would make the new alt old (eventually with age), so really the 'problem' never went away.

Anywhoodles. DRLs to me are asthetically unappealing. My e30 didn't have them, and I am disabling it on the truck.

I never considered the actual legal ramifcations however.
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Don't worry about the legalities, most cops don't know WTF is going on, one cop thought that the two oxygen sensors on the exhaus manifold of my buddies civic were spark plugs or nos injectors. Yeah, that dumb.
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Don't worry about the legalities, most cops don't know WTF is going on, one cop thought that the two oxygen sensors on the exhaus manifold of my buddies civic were spark plugs or nos injectors. Yeah, that dumb.
I have worse, I was driving around without my ignition coil cover, I got pulled over randomly and the cop asking what 'those' (ignition coils) were, I told him and he told me 'you know those are illegal right?' I'm like 'no, they're stock, they say BMW right on them'. 'Where is your distributor then?' lol
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Yes, BMW can't make cars because you got a lemon. Should I start making other stereo types?

Wow - you really can't handle anything about BMW's... They aren't the BEST engineered cars on the planet you know...

If you take a look at the number of people that have the same problem over and over again, that leads to stereo types. I've had 6 friends with BMW's that required new trannies, all ranging in age from5 years to 1 year old.

Royal jack ass...

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