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Old 10-26-2006, 12:54 AM   #1
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supercharger 200hp?? is this for real

Hey guys i was searchin the net for some info on putting either a supercharger or a turbo on my 318is so that it can actaully move for once not just look pretty , and i came across this.. http://www.koperformance.com/BMW/tur...harger_kit.htm

it costs over $3000 but for 200+hp gain i think its worth it, has anyone heard of these superchargers before, or have an opinion on them? before i buy one and get ripped off?
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Old 10-26-2006, 02:37 AM   #2
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Its not a 200 hp gain! You wont end up with a 340rwhp car for $3K!!! They say the car will have 200+hp, which will be 60hp gain, which is not too bad i guess...
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Old 10-26-2006, 03:08 AM   #3
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modding m42/m44 motors for power is stupid. It used to be less stupid, which is why now some people have it.

s52-> 3-3.5K
swap-> less than a grand
BAM 200-ish RWHP, for like 4-ish grand, plus tons of potential (cams/pulleys/software/exhaust/headers-> 260 wheel)
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Old 10-26-2006, 05:21 AM   #4
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ko performance version is just another hackedup version of Downing atlanta supercharger with no tests done to make sure of its reliability.

Someone off the 318ti.org bought this and they sent out a hacked up manifold with pile of parts.

if you want a supercharger, get downing Atlanta, true bolt on kit with reliability. Also, something around 50~60 hp at crank from this.

There is a software upgrade for this charge along with smaller pulley to use more boost. some ppl reported to gain about 20o whp out of this. However, dont know if its valid out of dyno though.

one of the member from our board actually have this system on the 318. I'll let him chime in.
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Old 10-26-2006, 05:26 AM   #5
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modding m42/m44 motors for power is stupid. It used to be less stupid, which is why now some people have it.

s52-> 3-3.5K
swap-> less than a grand
BAM 200-ish RWHP, for like 4-ish grand, plus tons of potential (cams/pulleys/software/exhaust/headers-> 260 wheel)
good luck doing a s52 swap for 3.5k+1k.

to swap in the 6 cyl engine, the engine mount has to be modified. Need new 6 cyl. rad plus more labor. also all the suspension needs to be changed to support the weight of the 6 cyl engine. new shocks and new spring plus more labor time. And more, new exhust has to be fitted. 4 cyl. engine use single pipe plus more labor.

for 318, best bang for buck is having a charger. 318 have a very good weight balance with gooood handling. with the combined power from charger with lighter engine makes a goood car for sport driving.


as always, want more power? trade the car in and get the m3.

You cannot get all these done for 4k.
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Old 10-26-2006, 12:55 PM   #6
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I thought superchargers/turbos added more than 50-80hp!
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Old 10-26-2006, 01:44 PM   #7
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ko performance version is just another hackedup version of Downing atlanta supercharger with no tests done to make sure of its reliability.

Someone off the 318ti.org bought this and they sent out a hacked up manifold with pile of parts.

if you want a supercharger, get downing Atlanta, true bolt on kit with reliability. Also, something around 50~60 hp at crank from this.

There is a software upgrade for this charge along with smaller pulley to use more boost. some ppl reported to gain about 20o whp out of this. However, dont know if its valid out of dyno though.

one of the member from our board actually have this system on the 318. I'll let him chime in.
you dont know the whole story behind this. believe it or not this was the doing of one person who later tried to make his own business and was caught in lies and scandal over on bimmeforums (research midnight automotive)

Tig talk to John-paul over at KO tell him Furious sent ya.
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Old 10-26-2006, 03:41 PM   #8
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you dont know the whole story behind this. believe it or not this was the doing of one person who later tried to make his own business and was caught in lies and scandal over on bimmeforums (research midnight automotive)

Tig talk to John-paul over at KO tell him Furious sent ya.
actually, i am fully aware of the whole story as this it was posted by the owner of ko performance and how the employee ran away with new design.

No matter what, it still is a copy of DASC and a bad one at that as the member of 318 community are actually going against at this.

No matter what, get the dasc and no problem.
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Old 10-26-2006, 03:43 PM   #9
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I thought superchargers/turbos added more than 50-80hp!
dasc is a low boost set up without the need of new software.

the boost can be upped to 10 psi with using of software along with smaller pully as far as I know.
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Old 10-26-2006, 06:22 PM   #10
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good luck doing a s52 swap for 3.5k+1k.

to swap in the 6 cyl engine, the engine mount has to be modified. Need new 6 cyl. rad plus more labor. also all the suspension needs to be changed to support the weight of the 6 cyl engine. new shocks and new spring plus more labor time. And more, new exhust has to be fitted. 4 cyl. engine use single pipe plus more labor.

for 318, best bang for buck is having a charger. 318 have a very good weight balance with gooood handling. with the combined power from charger with lighter engine makes a goood car for sport driving.


as always, want more power? trade the car in and get the m3.

You cannot get all these done for 4k.
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Old 10-30-2006, 02:29 PM   #11
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modding m42/m44 motors for power is stupid. It used to be less stupid, which is why now some people have it.
In your oppinion.


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s52-> 3-3.5K
swap-> less than a grand
BAM 200-ish RWHP, for like 4-ish grand, plus tons of potential (cams/pulleys/software/exhaust/headers-> 260 wheel).
Just retarded IMO.

Very labour intensive, retarded expensive, and for the same end with more weight & more to maintain let alone not knowing what the donor has already been through, all before the retarded amount of mods needed to use it's potential which in that case might as well do the LS1 swap for cheaper & have the options for even more power potential.
Also their's more then 1 DASC on this board.
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Old 11-01-2006, 11:54 AM   #12
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That would be a dream come true, 200 extra HP for $3g's...you'd be running E46 M3 hp at the crank...318is->338hp M3->333hp
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Old 11-01-2006, 01:22 PM   #13
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^^lol

Flav_cool: a turbo or supercharger doesn't necessarily add a certain amount of horsepower. it adds a certain percentage gain to the motor's naturally aspirated power. so, always remember that a boosted engine can only give you percentage gains based on the motor's stock potential.

thats why a turbo on an LS1 can give you THAT much more than a turbo on a 1.6 civic engine. its all percentage gains.

by the way, a 318 with 200 rwhp is great.
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Old 11-01-2006, 02:19 PM   #14
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What do you need to swap a s52 into a 318?

As far as i know, you can leave the rear end(but shouldn't)
exhaust needs to be redone, engine mounting is a little different.

i was under the impression you could also leave the tranny. but even so, you can buy a smashed 325/328 for like 1-2 grand with everything you'd need to do the swap.
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Also need rad, ECU, intake box. For the bigger rear end need a drive shaft, Center support bearing and diff. Also might want to do clutch since it'll be easy then. Then your left with a completed swap 2 - 3 days later for 5 g's and have all them used parts in with most likly over 200k of ware on them to fix later. While you save to upgrade it.
Or spend 4 hours to bolt on a supercharger kit for 3g's and be good to go with more power then a 328.
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