Does TIME really exist?

djcontra · 11-07-2002, 10:33 PM

I may be crazy, and really confused (and no i'm not stoned either

) but,

I've been pondering this all week now and I think I'm grasping the concept of time being nothing but a human concept of something doesn't really exist.
Time as we know it exists because of the rotation of the earth around the sun. This is how we come up with years, months, weeks, days, hours, minutes, and seconds, but that will only work ON earth and no where else! What good is earth time then? It means nothing outside of our own stratosphere.

So what is time then?

Could time just be our perception of motion? When you move from point A to point B it took you X ammount of Time in our perception, or did you just increase your motion above and beyond the motion of the rest of the universe?
Is time really the motion of everything in the universe expanding from a central point whcih we theorize as the big bang?
If so, then before the big bang all motion (time) must have been at a stand still, or ''frozen'' until one moment it all began to expand.

Could we gain an accurate measurement of what time really is by measuring the distance the universe has expanded from a central point in which the big bang first happened, and at which speed it has expanded at and is still currently?
If so then we would have to re-design a whole new mathematical way of measuring speed. We would no longer be able to use Distance/Time=speed because ''time'' is a human invention based on the rotation of the earth.

anyone else as confused as i?

anyone else have any input on this?

1BADBMW · 11-07-2002, 10:44 PM

ya, i know what you mean... you know what, ainstain once said that time dosen't exist because you can never get it back, for example when 2 minutes passes, you can never get it back or find it in any form which means that it never existed!!

man these things are deep

......anyway, don't waist your time

e36_freak · 11-07-2002, 10:57 PM

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Originally posted by djcontra

anyone else have any input on this?

LoL.... that's very nicely put..... i seldomely think of shit like that too..... like why are we here, .... is there really a meaning to life, is there a real purpose in life or are we all just bunched up molecules roaming around this planet. sometimes i feel like there's no reason or real purpose for me actually being alive and on this planet.

***Gamite*** · 11-07-2002, 11:03 PM

u know what's even more confusing? Time travel. If you travel back into the past to change something, then the original reason why you traveled back wont exist, thus you wont go back in time, but if you dont go back in time, you wont change that certain thing, and you will decide once again to go back in time to change that same thing. And it goes on and on and on.

M50E30 · 11-07-2002, 11:03 PM

Ya know what I have been pondering...that you have way too much TIME on your hands! LOL! Sorry I just had to throw that in there! LOL!

mkgino · 11-07-2002, 11:56 PM

Here is something to think about. NOTHING EXISTS. And let me tell you why. The only reason objects exist is because human beings give meaning to them. Take a car for example, why is it a car?? Because humans have defined it to be a car, but what is it really?? What if humans called a car "a computer" right?? It can theoretically be anything. So thats why the only reason that things in this world exist is because human beings give them meaning. Deep huh.......

mkgino · 11-07-2002, 11:58 PM

Another thing is that with Einsteins theory of relativity, time travel is possible, but its just that humans dont have the technology to do it yet.

tlaselva · 11-08-2002, 01:09 AM

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Originally posted by mkgino
Another thing is that with Einsteins theory of relativity, time travel is possible, but its just that humans dont have the technology to do it yet.

Einstein theorized that it is possible to travel back in time by traveling faster than the speed of light.

The best and easiest analogy I've heard is....
The light from a working clock travels to your eyes at the speed of light. If you move away from the clock just a bit faster than the speed of light, then the time on the clock would not be able to catch up to you. Taking it another step further, you would then see the time on the clock travel backwards, b/c you'd catch up to the light from the clock that had past you already that was traveling away from you at the speed of light.

Good site if your looking to subject yourself to some mental numbness or if ur out of sleeping pills: Relativity : The Special and General Theory

1BADBMW · 11-08-2002, 01:16 AM

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Originally posted by tlaselva

Einstein theorized that it is possible to travel back in time by traveling faster than the speed of light.

The best and easiest analogy I've heard is....
The light from a working clock travels to your eyes at the speed of light. If you move away from the clock just a bit faster than the speed of light, then the time on the clock would not be able to catch up to you. Taking it another step further, you would then see the time on the clock travel backwards, b/c you'd catch up to the light from the clock that had past you already that was traveling away from you at the speed of light.

This is all some very heavy $hit. Interesting though.

good one!!!!!!!!!!!

***Gamite*** · 11-08-2002, 01:18 AM

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Originally posted by tlaselva

Einstein theorized that it is possible to travel back in time by traveling faster than the speed of light.

The best and easiest analogy I've heard is....
The light from a working clock travels to your eyes at the speed of light. If you move away from the clock just a bit faster than the speed of light, then the time on the clock would not be able to catch up to you. Taking it another step further, you would then see the time on the clock travel backwards, b/c you'd catch up to the light from the clock that had past you already that was traveling away from you at the speed of light.

This is all some very heavy $hit. Interesting though.

Take note, according to the Theory of relativity, Time Travel is possible, but only forwards through time..

tlaselva · 11-08-2002, 01:32 AM

Was under the impression that it was back in time, not forward.

Going to double check that...

(hope ur not poking again)...

325Ryan · 11-08-2002, 04:15 AM

ok, here is a weird theory i thought of when i woke up today. (always when you wake up)

do you find you remember the dreams where you get woken up in the end?

Now, how can this be? Your brain certainly couldnt have known you were going to wake up and put it in the special place where dreams get remembered.

My theory is when you get woken up by a dream, your mind performs a kind of 'core dump' on the dream to your conscious. (for any of you non computer guys, it dumps the entire memory at once)

So, if you get woken up by the dream you then recieve the dream in full and then have to spend time following yourself through that dream.

So what happens to the time from when you wake up to when you actually wake up... or does the entire dream happen in an instant?

I just read this post and realized how crazy it sounds ... it's 1am my time so it's ok though .. i think i'm going to bed soon...

mkgino · 11-08-2002, 04:23 AM

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Originally posted by 325Ryan
ok, here is a weird theory i thought of when i woke up today. (always when you wake up)

do you find you remember the dreams where you get woken up in the end?

Now, how can this be? Your brain certainly couldnt have known you were going to wake up and put it in the special place where dreams get remembered.

My theory is when you get woken up by a dream, your mind performs a kind of 'core dump' on the dream to your conscious. (for any of you non computer guys, it dumps the entire memory at once)

So, if you get woken up by the dream you then recieve the dream in full and then have to spend time following yourself through that dream.

So what happens to the time from when you wake up to when you actually wake up... or does the entire dream happen in an instant?

I just read this post and realized how crazy it sounds ... it's 1am my time so it's ok though .. i think i'm going to bed soon...

Go back to sleep.

mpower1226 · 11-08-2002, 05:18 AM

wow, what have you guys been eating lately?

tlaselva · 11-08-2002, 10:52 AM

Or smokin'?
Bad batch lately?

There's a scientific explanation for this.

When we sleep, we actually sleep in cycles, usually 1.5 hrs, that consist of various stages.

I'm not going to get technical or this post will go on for pages, but we only dream about 20 minutes out of that 1.5 hrs.

If you wake up during the dreaming state, (called REM sleep) you will remember your dream cuz your conscious mind was just 'in' the dream. Should you wake up after this REM cycle, then it's not so easy to remember cuz of the time elapsed since the REM cycle.

Also, one thing that I find helps is find how long your 'cycle is. Most people on average is 1.5 hrs. At the end of this cycle, (it only lasts about 10 minutes), it is the best time to wake up, cuz your conscious mind is at the shallowest point of the sleep cycle.
That's why sometimes you find it easier to get up after 4 or 5 hrs sleep, than at times when u get 8 hrs sleep.