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Old 04-28-2006, 02:14 PM   #1
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Possible s54 swap

Its been a while everyone, a LONG while, but i've been working and saving up these past months.

Right now i have two possible options for a major update on my automobile

either an s54 engine complete with diff, tranny, and all the fixins
or
an evo s52 engine with 6speed tranny.

im getting an offer of 3,400 usd for the s54 engine
and the evo engine can be anywhere from 4-5 g's cdn

i just need to know what im getting into before i make my final decision.
i know the evo engine swap will be easier, especially with the electronics
but both engines are tempting. One offers 321hp and is a rare find, the other gives me 333hp and newer technology. But will also be a rare find in an e36.
% 2.0ease, someone shed some light for me!
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Old 04-28-2006, 02:22 PM   #2
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http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=68462

Honestly, if it were up to me i'd probably go evo. it is a little lighter than the s54 (unless my numbers are wrong) but that's not really the point, the swap being so much easier and the gain being only a slightly better torque curve and a few hp.

jazz///M on these boards has a e36 z3 with a s54 in it, he may be able to help with tips on wiring and whatnot if you decide to go with the e46 m3 motor
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Old 04-28-2006, 02:36 PM   #3
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you're a pimp bro, thanks
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Old 04-28-2006, 07:35 PM   #4
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you're a pimp bro, thanks
Post whore by day, PIMP by night jk.

Keep us updated on what your choice is etc
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Old 04-28-2006, 07:55 PM   #5
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propane? a pimp? AHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH this is the new best moment in maxbimmer history
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Old 04-29-2006, 04:32 AM   #6
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Question: what kinda braking system should i be looking at?

will standard e36 m3 rotors, calipers and whatnot withstand the power?
or should i consider an e39 m5 braking system?
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Old 04-29-2006, 01:59 PM   #7
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m3 or 330 brakes will work with proper pads. I don't think M5 calipers will even bolt on.
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Contact munich motors, they did Tom's swap as well as 1 or 2 other s54 e36 conversions including the owners own car.
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Old 04-29-2006, 08:23 PM   #9
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y dont u do it yourself? I did. a s52 swap then converted it all to obd1 with help, I didn't think I could do it but I did. The money u save u will be able to buy a set of wheels instead of takin it to a shop to do the swap. If u dont know what ur doin at all, dont even bother then. Propane a pimp, lol.
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Getting the s54 engine bolted into the car isn't the hard part, it'll just drop in and bolt up for the most part. It's the crazy amount of wiring needed for the s54 ECU. An obd1 conversion is a cakewalk in comparison.
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Old 04-30-2006, 03:12 AM   #11
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Getting the s54 engine bolted into the car isn't the hard part, it'll just drop in and bolt up for the most part. It's the crazy amount of wiring needed for the s54 ECU. An obd1 conversion is a cakewalk in comparison.
yeah you guys have to understand the s54 is completely different in terms of wiring. everything from flyby controls to the ecu itself. if you search the s54 i put up for sale a while back in teh for sale section , there was lots of talk on problems with doing it and a few solutions.
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things are looking like the e36 evo engine is the better runner up. The only reason i ask is because i think i've read somewhere that the evo m3 used an m5 braking system. but if the 330ci or m3 brakes will work fine... then im down with it
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the m3 evo used that same brakes as all the other e36 m3s, just with floating rotors, same diameter/thickness though.

By that definition, i guess I have m3 evo brakes on my car.
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Old 04-30-2006, 12:03 PM   #14
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what would i need for an m3 braking system?

plus, will i need to look at any sorts of exhaust systems? (are they different for the evo?) If i get the engine, i will also get the headers (thank god)
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Old 04-30-2006, 06:46 PM   #15
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for m3 brakes:
front spindles, rear trailing arms, calipers, rotors, lines, pads, master cylinder

for 330i brakes:
calipers, rotors, lines, pads
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