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Old 03-19-2006, 09:51 PM   #1
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Brakes

Aside from the Hawk HPS pads... what Am I looking at to pay for Rotors?
dealer are 170/one....partsource are 75/one?

how much are the stainless brake lines as well?
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Old 03-19-2006, 09:53 PM   #2
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Balo blanks (OEM) from Zimmie are about $75 each. SS lines are $75 US from Ireland Engineering (not-DOT approved). I just installed the lines, but I could not tell any difference, my stock lines were in good shape. I also did a shitload of other things at the same time, so the difference in the SS lines is unfair to judge.
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Old 03-19-2006, 10:05 PM   #3
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Will I need any hardware kit or shim kit or anything along those lines to replace my pads? I know on my nissan i needed some other crap.
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Old 03-19-2006, 10:07 PM   #4
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Nope. Just use some sythetic high temp caliper grease on the sliders, and neversieze on the caliper bolts and rotor set screw.
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Old 03-19-2006, 11:38 PM   #5
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^^ if you wanna go with SS lines, do yourself a favour and buy the ones with extra coating over the SS braids (i got mine from UUC through Bruno aka RacingKing for like $120).
There are a lot of horror stories associated with bare SS lines (even dot approved) about debris getting inside the SS braid and eating away at teflon line untill it bursts one day.
SS lines are recommended to be replaced every 1-2 yrs or so

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Old 03-20-2006, 12:51 AM   #6
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I only expect to get this full season out of my current braking system. Likely moving to a new shell and 5lug with E36 M3 brakes for next spring.
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Old 03-20-2006, 11:24 AM   #7
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^^ why oh why do you want to dump the dough into 5-lug and esspecially heavy ass e36m3 brakes??? I understand that they will get less hot and better fade resistance, but think about it: Heavy rotors, heavy calipers, to take advantage of brakes that big, you'll need big and wide 17"s = more weight - do you see how much unsprung weight it's gonna create?. Also keep in mind that original ABS was designed with stock parts in mind - so it will get severely confused with much bigger brakes (did you read the stoptech.com articles that i preach for everyone to read? try to find the one about ABS and BBKs and read their scenario of BBKs actually increasing braking distance due to ABS intervention)

Now consider the financial aspect:
- 5lug will run around $2000 easily
- set of good light and strong 17" and rubber = $2000++
- e36m3 brakes = $1500?
- spacers needed to fit the e36m3 brakes to the e30m3 hubs = $? (i expect at least $500)
- fenderwork $1000-2000

so after $7Gs invested in that new e30 you will still have a puny M20 trying to rotate those dumbells.
Several people i talked to online that had done 5lug consider it a waste at the price point

i'd guess that you would have TONS more fun doing the following:

- 15" RGRs or RGFs (around 10lb) with R-comps (the ones on 35% sale right now)
- stock brakes with HP+ and ducted backing plates
- M50 conversion or boost the M20 if its in good condition.

btw, we shall see how well stock brakes with good 225's are going to work on Striker's car, so we just wait and see

Raph: how much ponnies are you thinking your monster is going to put out?

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Old 03-20-2006, 12:31 PM   #8
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Alex, I have no intention of using a puny M20 motor.

The financials you list are quite a it higher than I've seen. Are you assuming that you are paying someone for labour?


Also, please show me 10lb RGR's in 15". Hell, show me any 10lb wheel that doesn't cost more than $500 a piece.

You also forget that with going to 5-lug, you open up a whole new selection of cheap and wide wheels (OEM). The increased rolling resistance of 245's is easily offset by the increase in lateral grip and a lot more power under the hood.
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I just talked with Mark from RMP.. he said the hawks are noisey and lots of dust... AXXE what do you think of yours?
he tried to sell me on EBC's, are these better?
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I heard its the HP+ that are noisey and dusty, the HPS pads are less agressive and not as bad as the HP+ which are more of a track pad while still offering better braking performance over stock.
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no labour in my prices ('cept for fender work) but of course it's possible to save some money with good and long search and negotiations.
Ask Jordan, he should know the prices better, but i don't think i am far off.

go to tirerack.com, chose '91 325is, find the BBS RG-F 15" for $340 each, they are forged and are 10.8lb (not to mention they look good on e30)

maybe i am just trying to justify my staying with 4lug, but one should always consider both sides before making a decision

225 against 245 - not that much of a difference for the dough you ar eflushing into it. IMO of course.

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Alex, I have no intention of using a puny M20 motor.

The financials you list are quite a it higher than I've seen. Are you assuming that you are paying someone for labour?

Also, please show me 10lb RGR's in 15". Hell, show me any 10lb wheel that doesn't cost more than $500 a piece.

You also forget that with going to 5-lug, you open up a whole new selection of cheap and wide wheels (OEM). The increased rolling resistance of 245's is easily offset by the increase in lateral grip and a lot more power under the hood.
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Old 03-20-2006, 03:28 PM   #12
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i heard HP+s are noisy as hell, but also heard that they could be quited down substantionally with applying enough antisqueel (and the right way)

HP+ are racing pad, i imagine they need to be warmed up which is bad for street.

HPS - people reported no significant noise

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I can understand your reasoning to keep 4-lug. While the stock brakes may be able to handle slowing down 300 + hp on the track with real race pads (HP+ is a dual duty track and street pad, not a race pad by any measure), there will be no bite on the street with over-aggressive pads. This is fine for a track-only car, but if you want to have fun all the time it's not very practical.
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Old 03-20-2006, 05:12 PM   #14
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^^ people solved it with having 2 sets of pads
as you probably know, pads are very easy to interchange on our cars, so it's not a problem to swap them right before an event

you are not going to run on the edge a 400hp e30 on the streets

E36m3 is quite a lot heavier, so needs those extra big brakes. Lighten up that e30 (light rims, carbon or plexi panels) and it'll make it easier for the stockers to stop the car.

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Old 03-20-2006, 05:50 PM   #15
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ok thanks for the info guys..

soo HPS pads are good for street/track use with little noise and dust?
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