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Old 01-26-2006, 07:44 PM   #16
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I hope I'm reading this wrong but are you saying the city is more at fault than these idiots who were street racing ?

i thought speeding doesn't kill people......??????? drastic change in attitude we have here.. if youve ever been on mt pleasant its large, and gives u a false sense of open road.


I dont know how fast the kidies were going. I didn't read the article.

a) the guy was making a left turn in a (and I quote a resident of the area) " notriously bad intersection"

Even if the kids were doing the sped limit you dont know for sure what could have happened..

I didn't read the article once again, I dont know if there were witnesses..

this is all I know: The guy was t-boned by a benz that was going fast..

CABIES always rush, and always manage to get infront of you... Ive been cut off by them when I ve had the right away hundreds of times.. They just go without a care in the world.

Even if the two idiots were speeding, would it have made a difference if they were not? This is where all thsoe times Ive been saying first impressions last a life time comes into play...

every cabbie has cut me off since ive ****ing learned to drive... so now I hold a grudge.. Man is dead, kids were stupid, but is it really 100% there fault??

Remeber, left turning person is awalys responsible for clear road.

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Old 01-26-2006, 07:49 PM   #17
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there racers had the right of way... why did they get charged? lol!
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Old 01-26-2006, 07:50 PM   #18
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because when someone dies someone has to get charged.... dont forget they are going to court.. so charges could be dropped.. which they probably will be if they get good lawyers.


do they even have the info at what speed they were traveling at.?
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Old 01-26-2006, 07:50 PM   #19
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i thought speeding doesn't kill people......??????? drastic change in attitude we have here.. if youve ever been on mt pleasant its large, and gives u a false sense of open road.
Like I said in the other thread you know what I mean, don't pull shit like this. I said if someone is driving a reasonable speed (160 ish) in the passing lane on a highway it's fine, I didn't say doing triple the speedlimit while racing downtown around a blind curve is fine.
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Old 01-26-2006, 07:51 PM   #20
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if they have a bendz their lawyer has a ferarri, the lawyer always has more money then you
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Old 01-26-2006, 07:54 PM   #21
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i know im being a bitch.. but seriously man, of course i feel bad for the cabbie, but i dont know the truth of the whole incident.. If there was a witness id be more inclined to say blindly that the two kids are idiots and the one who hit him should get man slaughter charges - he probably will - but aside from that from the info ive gathered, they were going fast..

how fast?
we dont know.

that particular spot is an uphill and the person making a left cant see the cars coming from the south as I gather.

Its a stupid spot.. Thats why im saying the city is partially at fault for not probably adjusting the traffic to deal with left turners.



primus, that girl in your sig.. does she have any porn?
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Old 01-26-2006, 08:20 PM   #22
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primus, that girl in your sig.. does she have any porn?
ahahah smooth ending

but yeah it's ridiculous but WHAT can you do....they have to blame SOMEBODY...who is a more probable target.....kids in luxury cars?or kids in suped up rides that look like pocket rockets? thats what i thought

image is everything.....put a neon green done up civic beside a completely stock e55 amg have them race and if one cop had to pick a car to chase....i wonder which he would choose
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Old 01-26-2006, 08:26 PM   #23
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primus, that girl in your sig.. does she have any porn?
no clue my wife never told me!
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Old 01-26-2006, 08:54 PM   #24
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nothing pisses me off more then taking an hour and 40 bucks in gas to drive up to cayuga to "legally race" only to have the MTO there to stick it in my ass, like **** no wonder theres street racing, cuz the track is just as much heat score now
How exactly did the MTO stick it to your ass? If you were speeding then why should you get off just because you went to a racetrack?

They set up speed traps by racetracks because they know that people that go to racetracks don't drive the limit. If you were to leave your racecar driving pretentions on the track, you wouldn't get a ticket. I've been to several driving schools and the final stretch up to MoSport is notorious for cops waiting for people to arrive on Saturday morning. Everyone's excited about going fast and raring to go... I've passed a cop there doing 15 over the limit and he didn't go after me... it's either because I'm a hot blonde or because they're not there to stick it to anyone, just to catch hot-heads.

Also don't think that the Police are idiots. They know full well that putting a racetrack into every town will do nothing to reduce aggressive driving and fatalities due to bad driving. The latter due to the fact that the same bad drivers now have a place to drive fast legally... that's why I never go to lapping days, I'd rather lanesplit on the 401, it's safer. The former due to the fact that it's a personality issue, it has nothing to do with getting a "fix". It's not like taking a shit, where you can go to the track once a day and you don't have to do it again until the next day.

One thing the government COULD do though is get rid of the antiquated speed limits. Why the hell are modern cars being subjected to the same driving limits as a 1960s caker bucket? Granted some places need the limits they have, or to even have them reduced IMO. But 100 on the highway is nazi bullshit. Make a sane speedlimit (and remove them where it's safe like an autobahn, places like the kitchener-london-windsor 401 stretch in most areas) and enforce them strictly (none of this 20 over bullshit). Then all you need to do is create a tougher driving test and you're done. By tougher I mean remove all the semantics buillshit like making sure you turn your head to check that a concrete wall is not falling on you, and strictly test for driving abilities - demonstrate an emergency stop, emeregency evasion, skid control, and an unquestionable ability to drive safely at speed (oh and for manual cars, being able to consistently start up a steep hill with no rollback). Then getting your license will be more like England and Germany, where the shitty ass drivers take years to get it until they learn because... *gasp* they're shitty ass drivers.

Yeey my work day is done, I can go home.
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Old 01-26-2006, 09:23 PM   #25
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How exactly did the MTO stick it to your ass? If you were speeding then why should you get off just because you went to a racetrack?

They set up speed traps by racetracks because they know that people that go to racetracks don't drive the limit. If you were to leave your racecar driving pretentions on the track, you wouldn't get a ticket. I've been to several driving schools and the final stretch up to MoSport is notorious for cops waiting for people to arrive on Saturday morning. Everyone's excited about going fast and raring to go... I've passed a cop there doing 15 over the limit and he didn't go after me... it's either because I'm a hot blonde or because they're not there to stick it to anyone, just to catch hot-heads.

Also don't think that the Police are idiots. They know full well that putting a racetrack into every town will do nothing to reduce aggressive driving and fatalities due to bad driving. The latter due to the fact that the same bad drivers now have a place to drive fast legally... that's why I never go to lapping days, I'd rather lanesplit on the 401, it's safer. The former due to the fact that it's a personality issue, it has nothing to do with getting a "fix". It's not like taking a shit, where you can go to the track once a day and you don't have to do it again until the next day.

One thing the government COULD do though is get rid of the antiquated speed limits. Why the hell are modern cars being subjected to the same driving limits as a 1960s caker bucket? Granted some places need the limits they have, or to even have them reduced IMO. But 100 on the highway is nazi bullshit. Make a sane speedlimit (and remove them where it's safe like an autobahn, places like the kitchener-london-windsor 401 stretch in most areas) and enforce them strictly (none of this 20 over bullshit). Then all you need to do is create a tougher driving test and you're done. By tougher I mean remove all the semantics buillshit like making sure you turn your head to check that a concrete wall is not falling on you, and strictly test for driving abilities - demonstrate an emergency stop, emeregency evasion, skid control, and an unquestionable ability to drive safely at speed (oh and for manual cars, being able to consistently start up a steep hill with no rollback). Then getting your license will be more like England and Germany, where the shitty ass drivers take years to get it until they learn because... *gasp* they're shitty ass drivers.

Yeey my work day is done, I can go home.

I'm sorry, that's the one of the weakest thing I've seen so far.

1) They don't set up traps just AT Mosport, they set it up at Cayuga, St. Thomas, and often on Wednesday and Friday night when its cheap, also on saturday and Sunday test & tune.

2) They DON"T PULL You over for speeding, they set up a inspection station and just wave your car in, and they give you bogus tickets such as "unsafe drive height", "noise pollution", any possible tickets you can imagine of, I doubt any of 'em got a speeding ticket.

3) North American CANNOT DRIVE, the driver's license here are way too easy to obtain, look at the speed limit we have now, and people already crashing into things, just imagine if it was 120, then 140 would be the norm, even 60% of Autobahn has speed limit.

btw, MTO cannot give you speeding ticket.
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Old 01-26-2006, 09:35 PM   #26
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Why don't you do some research before making retarded statements like this about a dead man. Jari in the other thread specifically stated that there is a hill there that makes it almost a blind turn. So he probably couldn't see them. Even if it was a normal street still it's hard to judge when people are going 3-4 times the speedlimit. Yeah I'm sure it's all his fault not these ****wads who were racing on a 2 lane street downtown. Way to be an asshole.

Disagree, technically it is cab drivers fault.
It doesnt matter if those guys were going warp speed, cab driver turned infront of them and it is his fault at some degree.
Since police can not give tickets to dead people, there is no mention of his fault. If he survived, I bet anything you wont he would've gotten a careless driving ticket.
Im sure those guys wont go to jail just because cabby was at fault too.
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Funny- I noticed that too- if this were a normal accident, the cab driver is 100% at fault. For the fact that he was making a turn- and from a side road to a main road.

And about it being a blind corner- look at the damage to the Mercedes- and how the driver was able to walk away- either he wasn't going 140km/h, or there was sufficient time for the Mercedes driver to see the cab (and the cab driver to see the Mercedes) for the Mercedes driver to brake. A 140km/h t-bone, both drivers will be dead.

Oh and one more thing- how on earth did they get that speed? Witnesses? Do the witnesses go around carrying radar guns?
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Old 01-26-2006, 10:44 PM   #28
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its a really bad intersection... if they were going 90km hour i bet this would have still happened..
That's the thing, if they were driving 100 km/h the cab would not get hit, it would have long turned.

The way I see it, I understand it's the cab's fault, as well as the city's and obviously that kids' fault. Just bad luck I guess.

Kinda like the Jane Creba shooting.
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Old 01-26-2006, 10:46 PM   #29
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there was sufficient time for the Mercedes driver to see the cab (and the cab driver to see the Mercedes) for the Mercedes driver to brake. A 140km/h t-bone, both drivers will be dead.
If that's the case, the Mercedes could have easily avoided and swerved out of his way if he knew how to drive.
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If that's the case, the Mercedes could have easily avoided and swerved out of his way if he knew how to drive.
Just the hood of the crown vic probably takes up an entire lane- so even if the cab just poked his head out- there would be no where to go. Also, he was being paced by his friend in the next lane.
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