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Old 01-07-2006, 09:47 PM   #16
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yup, gotta make up for the strike.
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Old 08-17-2013, 03:40 PM   #17
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If you get caught with it than that would be ironic, kind of defeats the purpose.
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Old 09-02-2013, 10:23 PM   #18
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some people told me that cops have radar detector detectors. so unless you have a $500+
undetectable one there is no point in getting one at all.
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Old 09-02-2013, 10:47 PM   #19
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gee somebody woke up a zombie... Basically here in Ont. and most of Can. any device to alert you to or "jam" a radar or laser trap is illegal. The way most cops catch you is to see the vehicle making a sudden nose dive as the binders are clamped on... best legal trick is to not speed on city streets and keep it under 15 over on the hwy. The only legal speed detector is a CB radio and talking to your fellow drivers... the truckers will always report where "the bears" are if you ask. that and of course local knowledge... for example 51 div. will always have a speed trap set up for at least 2-3 hrs a shift on Greenwood Ave. south of the CNR bridge below Danforth on the middle weekends of the month. Pape and Carlaw crossover is a fishing hole staffed at least 2hrs a shift on school days and some weekends looking for people who fail to stop for the FULL 3 seconds [as req. under HTA] at either or both stop signs.
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Old 09-02-2013, 11:58 PM   #20
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wait, u have to stop for 3 full seconds?
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Old 09-03-2013, 10:52 AM   #21
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the HTA doesn't say you need to stop for 3 seconds, please post which article and subsection says that.
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Old 09-03-2013, 08:29 PM   #22
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You are correct the HTA does not specify that you have to stop for 3 seconds however that is the informal rule that is applied by the cops and the courts. The wheels of the car and indeed the whole vehicle itself must be completely stopped at all stop signs/signals not just paused for a micro-second and then starting off using residual inertia. The way the cops [in southern ontario anyway] insure you are completely stopped is to apply the "3 second stop rule." When you think about it it makes sense for example if a car at the intersecting street got there just before you did they have the right of way, if you both arrived at the same time whoever is on the right has the right of way [under the act section 136 iirc] the best way to decide this is to apply the 3 sec. stop rule. I don't much like it I drive for a living and have gotten about 9 of these ticky tacky "fouls" in the last 5 years... I take'em to court and have beaten all but the last one which got knocked down to "Improper Stop" no pts. and thanks to taking it to court it will only be on the record for a yr and change.
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Old 09-04-2013, 11:32 AM   #23
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This is Canada we are talking about. The second most police state, or nanny state if you like, after North Korea.
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Old 09-04-2013, 01:50 PM   #24
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You are correct the HTA does not specify that you have to stop for 3 seconds however that is the informal rule that is applied by the cops and the courts..
sorry but this is complete BS. a stop is a stop. there is no "informal" anything in law. if its not in the HTA, you wont get convicted of it. You probably were not completely stopped if you got an improper stop ticket.
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sorry but this is complete BS. a stop is a stop. there is no "informal" anything in law. if its not in the HTA, you wont get convicted of it. You probably were not completely stopped if you got an improper stop ticket.
True you can be completely stopped for a nano second and still be "legal" but if the cop says you were'nt completely stopped then that's it you were'nt completely stopped. Unless you have one of those black box dataloggers or a dash cam with date/time stamp on it then you have no leg to stand on come the trial because guess who they're going to believe? hint it ain't gonna be you.
Stop for a 3 count and move on it's not going to make you late for anything and it just might save you from the turkey who's running the other sign. IK it's a pain particularly if you have a clutch and not very fuel efficient [yields are better and safer all around according to stats in holland where they are taking out stops and using yields] but think of it as a low impact work out for your left leg and a chance to sip your coffee without wearing it driving along our oh so well maintained potholes... I mean streets.
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