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Old 10-17-2002, 04:02 PM   #61
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Who ever ends up buying the cams.... please dyno your car before and after the installation so this dumb bullshit argument can finally be settled.
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Old 10-17-2002, 04:05 PM   #62
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Anyone in the VA/NC/SC area doing m3 cams in a 325 contact me. I will give you some dyno runs.
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Old 10-22-2002, 06:33 PM   #63
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wow what a thread !

I like the variety of subject

but, I really think moderator should probably remove it, since the original poster started a new one and everyone will get confused of the real gain of cams or maybe they can only delete replies.
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Old 10-22-2002, 07:24 PM   #64
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Why? If any reply should be left, it should be mine. I was the only one to HAVE them and DYNO them.
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Old 10-22-2002, 07:54 PM   #65
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But I thought that you dynoed your car with these cams plus other mods also?
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Old 10-22-2002, 07:56 PM   #66
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Cams, Intake, chip, m3 exhaust
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Old 10-22-2002, 08:38 PM   #67
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Here's a pretty usefull site describing gains on all sorts of different upgrades on the m50 motor.

It states that m3 cams only give you 10 to 15 hp (unfortunately =/)

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Old 10-22-2002, 08:42 PM   #68
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That page is weak. Gain is more than 10-15 hp, oh well. Cant change the closed minded.
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Old 10-22-2002, 11:04 PM   #69
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Perhaps it's just your dyno that's suspect; I don't have any comparative data to identify how accurate the Dynapak dyno is....

Or perhaps, it's just your testing methods that are suspect as well....

Still, as always, I'll dispute that *claimed* 255 HP number you've come up with....even the least reputable dyno operators around here won't use that number when testing cars...

Worst case scenario, 15%....more likely, 10-12%.


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Old 10-22-2002, 11:11 PM   #70
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Ill say it again, why comment on something you know NOTHING about. Question my dyno?? HAHA Funny how the top engine builders want it but could not afford it. http://member.rivernet.com.au/btaylo...Equipment.html .

THINK ABOUT YOUR NUMBERS. With your numbers, m3s only produce 220 hp. Please do some research, and THEN COME BACK.

For the price of the dynapack I could have purchased TWO dyno-jets.
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Old 10-23-2002, 08:56 AM   #71
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Most of the M3's (stock) that we've tested (on Mustang Dyno's) have shown about 215 HP to the rear wheels.

Given a roughly 12% drivetrain loss, that equates to about 240 HP at the crank; BMW's advertised number.

Simply put, I don't believe your numbers, and I don't trust your testing methods....

As to Steve D's comments, so what? They are *slightly* more expensive than in-ground Dynojet rollers, which would put them on par with the Mustang Dyno's in terms of price.

I'd still LOVE to see them side by side in a *dyno-standoff* to see just how accurate each one is in relation to the other. Nobody has made the comparison, so all we have to go on so far is Dynapack's factory claims, and not third party independent proof.

Why don't you take your car, spend the $50 and have it dyno-tested at a shop with EITHER a Dynojet or Mustang dyno, and we'll at least have some comparative numbers then. Fax me the results, or better yet, post them up here, and then I'd be glad to pay for the test.

If you can afford the $50K for the Dynapack, then you can afford to have your car tested somewhere else to prove the results...


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You still seem to amuse me. Why don't you call Pete Mchenry and ask him about the Dynapack???

Second, 215 hp for a stock m3 IS BULLSHIT. Mustang dynos read low if anything. AA have one as well as a few other tuners. The NORM is 195-200hp for stock m3s.

Also back to back comparisons with a dynojet have been done. Peak power is the same, but the other numbers are much more ACCURATE.

YOUR A JOKE, just like this site. I have no need to prove that the dynapack is the best, its a well known fact throughout the community. Most tuners are selling their mustang/dynojets for DYNAPACKS, bc it is the only TRUE loading dyno.

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So, let me see if I understand you correctly.

You're saying that you've taken a STOCK 2.5L motor, done the chip, intake, exhaust and M3 cams (nothing more....are you sure?), and you're NOW getting 15 HP MORE than a motor with nearly 3/4 of a LITRE of extra displacement? Right....

So, since the stock M3 exhaust is actually quite free flowing (but heavy), this means I could take a STOCK 3.2L motor, and put a shitty CAI on it, along with the right software (which Jim C could help us out with), and get AT LEAST 255 HP at the crank....all while still WASTING that extra 0.7 LITRES of displacement.

Boy, those claims are a ricer's dream. "Chip and CAI for an INSTANT 15 HP gain on your E36 M3 guys....."

In fact, if your *theory* held any water, then the 3.2L motor should be able to gain much more than a mere 15 HP from just a chip and exhaust....

Somehow, your claims and simple physics seem to be in direct conflict...


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Old 10-23-2002, 01:47 PM   #74
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Your a ****ing moron, PLAIN AND SIMPLE!

Whats this number for this shop of yours? I would love to call up and speak to you personally. Well actually your not worth the long distance charge.

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Old 10-23-2002, 01:52 PM   #75
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this thread is soooooo jokes
if i was able to get those kind of horsepower figures from a chip, cai, exhaust, and m3 cams then i wouldn't be buying the supercharger kit that i am. I guess though, when i install my kit that my car will be 345rwhp on your dyno right scotty?

I would personally think that anyone who installs a cai, chip, exhaust, headers, and m3 cams on their e36 325 that they can expect something like 195hp (more of course at the crank, but who cares about those figures)
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