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Old 05-07-2005, 05:30 PM   #16
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imgaine this

person # 1030 is dating 1040 and there watching them then all of a sudden 1030 and 1040 merg together!!! muahahaha!

then out pops 104030 9 months later!
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Old 05-07-2005, 05:42 PM   #17
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Welcome to the new world order.

I've been telling this to my friends for years now and they awalys just brushed it off.

Look at any random bar code that you have and look at the first two lines the two in the middle and the two at the end. Those are 666.
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Old 05-07-2005, 06:05 PM   #18
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sirex I think the reason people don't want it not because they don't want to stop criminals, etc, but because they are afraid of what's next.

Think about it. If they impliment this at first it will be great, murderers will be put in jail, there will be much less crime, etc. Great, right? Yes, but then what if they take it further. What if (and now this is an extreme example) using this chip they can tell which road you're travelling on (in your car) and how fast you're going (using basic math, like some distance vs time and see your speed) and then automatically send you a ticket to your house if you're going 5+ km over the limit ??

This chip aside, what if they do some thing that allows them to monitor everything on your computer? Would you still agrue that this is GREAT because it will catch all people with child porn, terrorist, etc? Or would you realize that it IS an invasion of privacy because they can take it further and if you have one copied program on your computer they will come to your house and arrest you. Or if they monitor EVERYTHING you say on messenger and if u say something "suspicious" they will come after you? By your theory if you have nothing to hide then it's ok for them to do this to your computer right? But the point is that people don't like being tracked 24/7, not necessarily because they're criminals but because it is just not right for the government to have the power to watch EVERYTHIGN you do, because you never know how far they will take that power...

I definately understand what you are saying. And yeah, basically the only problem with all of this is where do they draw the line..
But heres the difference between the US and Canada. If you think of Canada's system, we strive for good government.
isn't our motto something like peace, order and good government. Bah I cant remeber the direct quote.

while the americans is something like life, liberty, and the pursuit of hapiness. Our government is not for screwing people over, not on the same scale as the US one.. Thats why I could see it being plausable in Canada...

However, I realise whenever it comes to stuff like this people are alaws sceptical. I mean how much is really about our own protection, and how much is it about some president working his/her own agenda.

in theory, this would be an amazing advantage for our society, especially when used in all the right ways. If only it were that simple.
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Old 05-07-2005, 06:10 PM   #19
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I definately understand what you are saying. And yeah, basically the only problem with all of this is where do they draw the line..
But heres the difference between the US and Canada. If you think of Canada's system, we strive for good government.
isn't our motto something like peace, order and good government. Bah I cant remeber the direct quote.

while the americans is something like life, liberty, and the pursuit of hapiness. Our government is not for screwing people over, not on the same scale as the US one.. Thats why I could see it being plausable in Canada...

However, I realise whenever it comes to stuff like this people are alaws sceptical. I mean how much is really about our own protection, and how much is it about some president working his/her own agenda.

in theory, this would be an amazing advantage for our society, especially when used in all the right ways. If only it were that simple.
Well I don't know how much I agree with the "good government" argument. I think I've been screwed enough on taxes... (I'm a little bitter, just found out I have an extra $2500 to pay on property taxes this year because they screwed up...)

The question is - when's the last time Canada's government did ANYTHING big without the blessing of their southern brother?

That being said - it would be a US thing as well and I don't neccessarily know if I want the US knowing what I'm doing. Being East Indian, especially these days, I'm feeling more and more discriminated against. I've crossed the border a bunch of times recently and each time they stop me and search my car for 30 minutes while I see other family's, white family's who were stopped, get search for less than 5 minutes.

I'm for an identificaiton system like retnal scanning... I think that would be the best solution...

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Old 05-08-2005, 01:53 AM   #20
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I dont see how a traclking device will end crime.....How are they to know who mugged you? Your just a little dot on a screen. They cant tell if youved be killed or not......It doesnt stop showing where you are when you are dead....No one will be watching you constantly and all of a sudden notice your not moving for a long period of time.. and then what...they dont know which ""dot"" was near you and killed you cuz they wont be able to monitor everyone.

If you think about it...It wont end crime...It may help solve crime when the suspect has been identified...
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Old 05-08-2005, 03:53 AM   #21
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zimma zimma what you have just said pretty much negates the entire reason for everything.. The whole point of such a system is to know WHO IS WHO AND WHERE THEY ARE at any given point in time.



its a little bit more complicated then what you think.. the reason why i didn't go into more detail is because I figured most people would be smart enough to figure it out or dream up something that can be beleivable.

You are more then just a dot on the screen.. Attached to that dot, is a number, which indicates who you are, name, sex, age, weight, height, DOB, address, you name it, all the information right there..
it could also be tied in with your hear rate, so if there is no pulse, an alarm is set off so that somone watching this stuff is warned and can dispatch someone.


its quite simple really. I mean if you want to talk complicated, it would be hard enough putting in all these micro chips to begin with ( for the 30 million plus people)..

A) they need to have gps
B) a solid prorgam to track everything
c) adding details on a computer databse that can be pulled up at any time, which IS NOT DIFFICULT.

Secondly, its very easy to tell who commited the crime. If the system was implemented properly, the person who was nearest you, when your heart stopped beating would be a possible suspect.

Crime scene investigators could solve the rest.. for example say you are shot by a sniper some 50 yards away..
well CSIvestigators can acutally determine the angle and elevation the sniper was shooting at, and by using mathematics estimate the distance..

if you ask me, it would be very easy to estimate roughly who commited the act by simpling maping it out on the computer ... whats more is that it could be recorded.. So that a week later someone good go back and view the exat 5 minutes before you died, and draw up an area around your corpse to determine possible suspects.And this is not difficult to do either, as we use Cameras to do such jobs for us today, this would be quite similar except with dots moving around on a screen indicating who is who.

so technically, it can end crime becuase it would act as a deternt.

Now this is now technology that can for see a crime about to take place, but if you can catch your criminals quickly, i would like to think most criminals would be deterred by this.


Now remeber this owould only work under proper circumstances. Every person in this country is tagged according.

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