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Old 04-23-2005, 08:58 PM   #1
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94 Euro M3 vs. 97-99 US. spec M3

What do you guys think the outcome would be.

The euro engine is rated at 286hp and 236lbft trq. uses 3:15 overall gear ratio
The US engine is rated at 240hp and 236lbft trq aswell. uses 3:23 overall gear ratio.

Just interested as in what the outcome would be and what your opinions were.
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Old 04-23-2005, 09:14 PM   #2
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What do you guys think the outcome would be.

The euro engine is rated at 286hp and 236lbft trq. uses 3:15 overall gear ratio
The US engine is rated at 240hp and 236lbft trq aswell. uses 3:23 overall gear ratio.

Just interested as in what the outcome would be and what your opinions were.
My 2 cents are on the Euro BMW.
Either way the BMW wins.
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Old 04-24-2005, 01:05 AM   #3
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i think this is a no-brainer question.......unless the euro model somehow weighs 1000lbs more?
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Old 04-24-2005, 01:25 AM   #4
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94 m3 is faster.
been there, done that
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Old 04-24-2005, 01:49 AM   #5
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is it because its older? or the fact that is has 46hp advantage?????

Off the line they would be even, once 2nd or in the middle of 2nd is where the 46hp comesin play and the euro model would just fly away rapidly
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Old 04-24-2005, 05:20 PM   #6
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Why even ask? The winner would be pretty obvious.
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Old 04-24-2005, 07:56 PM   #7
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US spec M3 is a torque motor no doubt as is the EURO but once the US motor hits 5500 rpm and anything above that it loses steam and that is where the euro shines. It continues to pull hard right to redline. It maybe a bit close 1st and 2nd gear where you may hang in there a bit but anything after that say goodbye US M3
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Old 04-25-2005, 01:15 AM   #8
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the euro motor has 247 lbs of torque not 236
euro evo motor has 258lbs/ft 321 bhp

When you guys say that the euro would cream a us spec m3.... im not sure it would cream a us spec m3... perhaps just slightly creep away.

my brother and I ran an E46 M3 against my M3 and it just walked it... it didnt demolish it.... so a 94 euro m3 would defiantely not cream it. Even at mosport, when you put the pedal down on both an E46 M3 and E36 M3.... the E46 only creeps on the E36.

my friend had a 94 euro m3 and it seems pretty similar to any us spec m3 torque wise... seemed to have a bit more juice up top but to evaluate it having that much more power is arbitrary.
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Old 04-25-2005, 01:25 AM   #9
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Great observation Daydream///M3 !

How much heavier is the E46 M3?
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Old 04-25-2005, 08:57 AM   #10
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the euro motor has 247 lbs of torque not 236
euro evo motor has 258lbs/ft 321 bhp

When you guys say that the euro would cream a us spec m3.... im not sure it would cream a us spec m3... perhaps just slightly creep away.

my brother and I ran an E46 M3 against my M3 and it just walked it... it didnt demolish it.... so a 94 euro m3 would defiantely not cream it. Even at mosport, when you put the pedal down on both an E46 M3 and E36 M3.... the E46 only creeps on the E36.

my friend had a 94 euro m3 and it seems pretty similar to any us spec m3 torque wise... seemed to have a bit more juice up top but to evaluate it having that much more power is arbitrary.
Buddy I dont know where you get your info but I know someone who has a 3.2L Euro why dont you line it up with him and see what happens. The Euro will rape you in every compition and thats just off the line let alone when you start getting to the higher speeds then you can wave goodbye.
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Old 04-25-2005, 09:26 PM   #11
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Not meaning to anger you Daydream.....but i think you may have made a mistake. 94 euro M3 has 286hp and 236lb ft torque...its a 3liter....the 3.2 litre that followed had the 321hp.

And i was just interested in what the outcome would be....We are planning on gettin an e36 M3 and are lookin at a 99 M3 and a 94 euro spec. IF only someone would buy our 325xi.(check for sale)
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Old 04-25-2005, 09:36 PM   #12
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the 3.2 Euro - Evolution or Evo did have the higher output of 321hp.

And if memory (from reading magazines) serves me right. As for actual performance. I believe the Euro (3.0L) and the US-spec (3.2L) posted very similar times. Both in 0-100km/hr and 1/4mile despite the 40+ extra hp the Euro was making.

Someone pull up the stats. I'm too lazy to look it up!
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Old 04-25-2005, 11:20 PM   #13
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easy guys.... Ive been known to make mistakes

As for greek thang... I see your point but I never said the us spec M3 would beat the Euro.... but I still dont think if you were running both side by side that the euro would cream the Us spec in a 0-60 sprint... but my opinon right

Zim Zimma... no offence taken and I think you are correct about the numbers being 236 lbs ft for the 3.0 S50B30 engine..... i forgot who told me it was 241 or 147.... dont remember

I am pretty sure that the Evolution engine is 258lbs.ft cause I have the magazine and Im trying to find it now.
The posted o-60 times for the euro evolution is 5.2-5.3.... Us spec is 5.5 according to a lot of the M3 owners and I think Vlad mentioned that too.
So a .2 of a second differnece makes the car so much faster in a drag?

Rico is right... the GT2 M3 (S50B30) engine and the evo have very similar 0-60 sprint times.... i think my mag said the Eurospec 3.0 was a hair faster for some reason (ill find the article)

Does anyone think that the evolution M3 is faster than an E46 M3? Just curious

Easy guys....... lets all get along and If I am wrong about a certain few specs.... sorry... Im trying to base this on my own test trials.
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Old 04-26-2005, 12:16 AM   #14
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euro 3.0l has 236lb/ft
euro evo 3.2 has 251lb/ft

1. I did highway pulls with Randy's dad's euro m3, and it easily pulls away, not creeps inch by inch, but respectfully pulls.
2. 0-60 race for any e36 m3 would be pretty close.
3. E46 m3 is faster than e46 m3.
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Old 04-26-2005, 12:21 AM   #15
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euro 3.0l has 236lb/ft
euro evo 3.2 has 251lb/ft

1. I did highway pulls with Randy's dad's euro m3, and it easily pulls away, not creeps inch by inch, but respectfully pulls.
2. 0-60 race for any e36 m3 would be pretty close.
3. E46 m3 is faster than e46 m3.

vlad, i agree with you that on the highway that a euro m3 would pull past an e36.

a quick sprint with a euro vs a us spec and it would be fairly close.

which e46 m3 is faster than which e46 m3 vlad?
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