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Old 11-09-2004, 07:39 AM   #1
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e30 m3 HP question

Hey guys, how hard is it to get 200Hp to the wheels from am e30 m3.
How much would it cost? What kind of things do you have to do?
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Old 11-09-2004, 11:44 AM   #2
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Not Very hard at all!

Step 1 Chip ($25-400)
Step 2 Flywheel ($450-900)
Step 3 Exhaust ($450-900)
Step 4 Cams (Not sure, $750 at least)
Step 5 Intake Upgrade ($150-$400)
Step 6 2.3L to 2.5L Euro Spec Conversion (Turner Motorsport $2500CAD)
Step 7 EvoIII Header (Turner Motosport $3000CAD)

I'm at step 5 and must be well over 200hp at the wheels. At stage 7 you will be close to 300hp (don't think that is at the wheels though!). I will dyno before I start step 6+7 (saving up to do it all at once.) You could be at 200hp at Step 3 or 4, depends on the quality you get.

If anyone has the needed hardware or contacts for my engine upgrade let me know!
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Old 11-09-2004, 04:51 PM   #3
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Step 1 Chip
Step 2 Turbocharge
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Old 11-09-2004, 04:55 PM   #4
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You don't chip a turbo car, and you don't turbocharge S14's.

And yes, a well built 2.5 motor will be over 200 RWHP.
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Old 11-09-2004, 05:42 PM   #5
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You don't chip a turbo car, and you don't turbocharge S14's.

And yes, a well built 2.5 motor will be over 200 RWHP.
You can chip a turbo, and it is often done. Instead of advancing timing, the main changes are to allow more boost (on cars with electronically controlled wastegates) and change the fuel maps. I've done this to a few Lotus turbos, both 4 and 8 cylinder. The Lotus Esprit V8 gains about 50 hp (to 400 hp) with new software alone. There are about 4 Esprit V8's in Toronto running that software. (you guys thought I just did BMW's )

It's relatively easy to get big ponies from turbo Audi's, VW's and Volvo's the same way. (but I have not done one yet, I'm looking for a few test cars)
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Old 11-09-2004, 05:50 PM   #6
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You don't chip a turbo car, and you don't turbocharge S14's.
I guess what he means is that you should be running Stand Alone.

Only if u didn't then u would have too, or atleast have a piggy back to change everything
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Old 11-09-2004, 05:56 PM   #7
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I guess what he means is that you should be running Stand Alone.

Only if u didn't then u would have too, or atleast have a piggy back to change everything
You don't really need anything other than a Motronic with the correct tuning plus bigger injectors to run a turbocharged BMW. Adding a MAF also helps, if it has an older AFM.
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Old 11-09-2004, 08:28 PM   #8
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Step 1 - Euro E36 Motor swap!
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Old 11-09-2004, 09:11 PM   #9
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Step 1 - Euro E36 Motor swap!
One Stop HP Shop!
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Old 11-09-2004, 10:33 PM   #10
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Replacing the S14 is for muscle-brains, you know 'Mustang types'. Anyone who replaces a perfectly good S14 just doesn't get it. Anyway that's just my two-cents worth...

Bye the way... this forum is "wunderbar"
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Old 11-10-2004, 01:47 PM   #11
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Replacing the S14 is for muscle-brains, you know 'Mustang types'. Anyone who replaces a perfectly good S14 just doesn't get it. Anyway that's just my two-cents worth...

Bye the way... this forum is "wunderbar"
Speaking of Mustangs...there's a decent swap, and personally, I think Mustangs have THE BEST sounding exhaust out of the factory. Wish my Bimmer could sound that good.
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Old 11-10-2004, 02:00 PM   #12
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have you heard about the 2.7l from Tuner Motorsport??........hp over the 300 mark it is 350??
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Old 11-10-2004, 05:58 PM   #13
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Speaking of Mustangs...there's a decent swap, and personally, I think Mustangs have THE BEST sounding exhaust out of the factory. Wish my Bimmer could sound that good.

it called v8
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Old 11-10-2004, 08:47 PM   #14
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I dont have any idea where you people are getting that built M20s are putting down 200-300 rwhp. Chris's 3.0 cabrio only puts down what, like 200-220? And thats about as extreme as you want to go.
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You can chip a turbo, and it is often done. Instead of advancing timing, the main changes are to allow more boost (on cars with electronically controlled wastegates) and change the fuel maps. I've done this to a few Lotus turbos, both 4 and 8 cylinder. The Lotus Esprit V8 gains about 50 hp (to 400 hp) with new software alone. There are about 4 Esprit V8's in Toronto running that software. (you guys thought I just did BMW's )

It's relatively easy to get big ponies from turbo Audi's, VW's and Volvo's the same way. (but I have not done one yet, I'm looking for a few test cars)
You took me too literal Mark, I meant if he added software to an S14 then threw in FI it wouldn't work too well. The software would have to be customized to work with the turbo (meaning it's part of the FI package, in a sense).
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