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Old 07-04-2002, 03:03 AM   #16
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That was pretty funny 'bad karma' lol...
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Old 07-04-2002, 08:55 AM   #17
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Kelsin -

When did you get your M3?
Did you pay for any of it
Sup man. I got it 2 Friday's ago, so it's just under 2 weeks old! =)

I pay for half the car payment and half the insurance payment.

And I contributed $3,500 to the downpayment.
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Old 07-04-2002, 09:18 AM   #18
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It depends on the downshift that has to be done. I would like to see you downshif from 5th to 2nd(4th to 1st) with just a simple rev-matching.

It is doable, of course, but how long the synchros can handle such abuse?

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And to further add to this useless discussion...it's not even double-clutching on the downshift.

On the downshift, it's heel and toe....and you don't let out the clutch between gears.

However, it's quite surprising how many people have little to no idea of how to actually heel and toe in their car...on the streets even, much less on the track.


The only thing anybody learned from the Fast and the Futile is how many brain cells can be destroyed simply by watching a movie...


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Old 07-04-2002, 09:22 AM   #19
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It depends on the downshift that has to be done. I would like to see you downshif from 5th to 2nd(4th to 1st) with just a simple rev-matching.

It is doable, of course, but how long the synchros can handle such abuse?

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downshifting from 5th to 2nd?
that's a good idea
I can easilly dowshift from 5th to 2nd if I drive slower than 100km/h and from 4th to 1st if I drive 60km/h or slower
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Old 07-04-2002, 09:46 AM   #20
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Now try that at 160km/h at the top of 4th braking to 40 and going into 1st.





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downshifting from 5th to 2nd?
that's a good idea
I can easilly dowshift from 5th to 2nd if I drive slower than 100km/h and from 4th to 1st if I drive 60km/h or slower
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Old 07-04-2002, 09:51 AM   #21
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Now try that at 160km/h at the top of 4th braking to 40 and going into 1st.






I can try that if you are willing to pay for a new engine
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Old 07-04-2002, 10:17 AM   #22
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You coming to the auto-cross on 14th?

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I can try that if you are willing to pay for a new engine
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Old 07-04-2002, 10:21 AM   #23
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You coming to the auto-cross on 14th?

I think so, you?
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Old 07-04-2002, 10:55 AM   #24
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I am planning to.

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I think so, you?
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Old 07-04-2002, 12:36 PM   #25
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Old 07-04-2002, 02:45 PM   #26
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It depends on the downshift that has to be done. I would like to see you downshif from 5th to 2nd(4th to 1st) with just a simple rev-matching.

It is doable, of course, but how long the synchros can handle such abuse?

SL

Generally as a rule, downshifts from 5th to 2nd are much harder on the engine (ie, valves and pistons getting to know each other really well....), rather than being hard on the synchro's.

Why anyone would willingly downshift from 5th to 2nd (or 4th to 1st) at anything other than 10 km/h pulling up to a stoplight is beyond me. Sorry, but 5 to 2 downshifts are done by people who shortly thereafter pay big $$$ to their mechanics to have a new engine dropped into their car....

So, basically you'd be at 2400 RPM in fifth gear, and downshifting directly to 2, and you'd *almost* be at the point of over-revving your engine (based on stock rev limiters). This is for a standard, E36 with a 3.15 rear diff, and 235/40/17 tires all around. Max speed in 2nd gear is 91 Km/h....

Once again, for all you guys who learned everything you know about driving from the Fast and the Futile, give it up. You don't double-clutch on the downshift (much less the upshift), you simply heel and toe. And more importantly, ANYBODY who downshifts from 5 to 2 on the track is an idiot. And there simply isn't much of a reason to downshift from 5-2 on the street (unless you pull up to stoplights in 5th gear...)

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Old 07-04-2002, 03:17 PM   #27
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I understand you have a lot of track experience, and that you are good driver. Then could you please give us your opinion regarding this scenario:

1) You are at the track racing against time
2) At the end of the straight doing ~200km/h
3) You are about to enter a 180 degree turn, very tight
4) The entry speed should be no more than 70km/h for this turn, and for your car.

Your actions?

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Generally as a rule, downshifts from 5th to 2nd are much harder on the engine (ie, valves and pistons getting to know each other really well....), rather than being hard on the synchro's.

Why anyone would willingly downshift from 5th to 2nd (or 4th to 1st) at anything other than 10 km/h pulling up to a stoplight is beyond me. Sorry, but 5 to 2 downshifts are done by people who shortly thereafter pay big $$$ to their mechanics to have a new engine dropped into their car....

So, basically you'd be at 2400 RPM in fifth gear, and downshifting directly to 2, and you'd *almost* be at the point of over-revving your engine (based on stock rev limiters). This is for a standard, E36 with a 3.15 rear diff, and 235/40/17 tires all around. Max speed in 2nd gear is 91 Km/h....

Once again, for all you guys who learned everything you know about driving from the Fast and the Futile, give it up. You don't double-clutch on the downshift (much less the upshift), you simply heel and toe. And more importantly, ANYBODY who downshifts from 5 to 2 on the track is an idiot. And there simply isn't much of a reason to downshift from 5-2 on the street (unless you pull up to stoplights in 5th gear...)

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Old 07-04-2002, 06:16 PM   #28
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I always wondered why they said double clutching in fast and the furious, i thoguht it was only for truck drivers?

also when ppl talk about power shifting when racing arent they full of sh!t once again? You can only power shift at certain RPM's without grinding gears so it wouldnt be fast it your shifting at 4 g's
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Old 07-04-2002, 06:21 PM   #29
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as for the race im pretty sure a CLK 430 would jack the average E30 6 cylinder. im not calling you a liar, maybe he just didnt put it down cuz arent those things V8's?

Off the line maybe an E30 would win, outta first gear just cuz the benz is auto, but a CLK320 pulled up beside me acting a fool and I downed it to second and sqauked the tires and pulled away but I stopped cuz I didn't wanna be going to fast plus i'm sure he would blew by me after 2nd gear
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Old 07-04-2002, 09:24 PM   #30
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Generally as a rule, downshifts from 5th to 2nd are much harder on the engine (ie, valves and pistons getting to know each other really well....), rather than being hard on the synchro's.

Why anyone would willingly downshift from 5th to 2nd (or 4th to 1st) at anything other than 10 km/h pulling up to a stoplight is beyond me. Sorry, but 5 to 2 downshifts are done by people who shortly thereafter pay big $$$ to their mechanics to have a new engine dropped into their car....
That is definitely not true for all cars...

I did 5th to 2nd downshifts all the time in my Integra Type-R.

Going at 60-80 km/h in 5th gear, I would downshift to 2nd (Say to do a quick pass or to race someone) all the time. 2nd gear goes up to 100 km/h. As long as you downshift into 2nd going LESS than 100 km/h (in my old car's case) you'll be fine.

I had the car 4 years, and the engine was always fine, and the tranny NEVER had any problems with Synchro's. Furthermore, I put OVER 120,000 kms on the car and I never babied it. The car was tracked numerous times and spent almost a year of it's life Turbocharged.
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