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Old 06-23-2002, 02:09 PM   #1
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You have to see this..

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Old 06-23-2002, 04:20 PM   #2
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heh u posted it for me good show


its a 318 with an s2000 motor
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Old 06-23-2002, 10:54 PM   #3
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why did he put an s2000 motor in it...sorry but if i were him i wud have put an m3 engine or somethin...oh well...it gets any1s attention tho
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Old 06-24-2002, 12:11 AM   #4
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M engines aren't that cheap. I doubt you can pick and choose too much what you get in a place like that.

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Old 06-24-2002, 12:57 AM   #5
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s2000 engine is cheaper, plus it is lighter, plus it produced the same hp.
so it's not a bad mod.
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Old 06-24-2002, 01:33 AM   #6
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yea but it does lack the torque that an m3 enigne has, 3.2L vs 2L, and diff compressions and everything.
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Thats so gay, why would anyone do that? I'm sure it required lots of mods and even if the engine was cheaper everything else wasn't. For sure its not a straight bolt-on. Just another high compression Honda engine w/ no torque, all high end HP. I'd rather rev the shit outta my engine then rev the shit outta that one. Whats the S2000's compression ratio? 11.5 or something?

Normally I would not have a problem with this, eg. I've seen people w/ Lotus's swap Type-R motors. Only one problem, BMW's are not super lightweight cars like Lotus so they need TORQUE! I just fail to see the point. Trying to be different by having a different motor while he could have got a dowing atlanta Eaton blower for less than the price of that swap, just doesn't make sense to me.

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Old 06-24-2002, 10:07 PM   #8
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Thats so gay, why would anyone do that? I'm sure it required lots of mods and even if the engine was cheaper everything else wasn't. For sure its not a straight bolt-on. Just another high compression Honda engine w/ no torque, all high end HP. I'd rather rev the shit outta my engine then rev the shit outta that one. Whats the S2000's compression ratio? 11.5 or something?

Normally I would not have a problem with this, eg. I've seen people w/ Lotus's swap Type-R motors. Only one problem, BMW's are not super lightweight cars like Lotus so they need TORQUE! I just fail to see the point. Trying to be different by having a different motor while he could have got a dowing atlanta Eaton blower for less than the price of that swap, just doesn't make sense to me.

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It is a nice mod, IMO, e30 are pretty light, wasup with compression? new m3 is pretty high in compression. And I don't understand you 318 guys.
Why do you suggest adding blower to 318 engine instead of m3 engine, and plus after a couple of months/years add turbo to m3 engine?

Yes you will never get your money back, BUT that would one of a kind. And I wouldn't care about resale value
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It is a nice mod, IMO, e30 are pretty light, wasup with compression? new m3 is pretty high in compression. And I don't understand you 318 guys.
Why do you suggest adding blower to 318 engine instead of m3 engine, and plus after a couple of months/years add turbo to m3 engine?

Yes you will never get your money back, BUT that would one of a kind. And I wouldn't care about resale value
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Eaton blower on a 318 gives you 230HP and 210 lbs*ft of torque. It only runs from 5-8psi and gives boost at 1000RPM. No comprimise. Eaton blowers are used on Jags and Mercedies so their reliability is unquestionable. Swapping an M3 engine into a 318 would cost more than just the engine itself, its not as simple as swapping it into a 325 or 328. You need to change the engine mouting positions, shocks, springs, exhaust, tranny, differential, etc. How much is that going to cost in the end? For $5000Cdn or less I can get the Eaton blower and have the lightweight body of the 318. All the supercharger ever needs fixed is maybe a belt replacement.

What do you mean whats up with compression? Your telling me the M3 has high compression so that isn't a good thing eh? My car is 10 or 10.5 I can't remember. But higher compression generally means the engine will be worked harder sqeezing every bit of performance out of it. To me, its just means higher maintenece and more frequent engine rebuilds.

Lastly, consider the weight of an S2000 Honda roadster to an E30. E30's will be much much heavier than a Honda roadster, it won't run the same times as those claimed by the S2000. The car will be dogged by comprimises.

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Old 06-25-2002, 01:12 AM   #10
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e36 m3 is 10.5
e36 318 is 10
e46 m3 is 11.5
s2000 is 11


lightweight body of 318????? doesn't think so, maybe 318ti is lighter.

To be honest with you I'm not fan of 1.8l and new m3 engines.
All those horror stories about those engines doesn't make BMW look good.


Also I meant 325engine in 318ti and turbocharge it.
m3 euro engine in 318ti is my dream.
Like if you have 318i or is yes go with supercharger, but if I had 318ti I would think about 6cyl swap.
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m3ti with a turbo...imagine the time slips on that thing! then beefing up the engine to run higher boost...dam that wud be a crazy car...
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e36 m3 is 10.5
e36 318 is 10
e46 m3 is 11.5
s2000 is 11


lightweight body of 318????? doesn't think so, maybe 318ti is lighter.

To be honest with you I'm not fan of 1.8l and new m3 engines.
All those horror stories about those engines doesn't make BMW look good.


Also I meant 325engine in 318ti and turbocharge it.
m3 euro engine in 318ti is my dream.
Like if you have 318i or is yes go with supercharger, but if I had 318ti I would think about 6cyl swap.
E36 318i is only 2800lbs. What horror stories about the 318 and new M3? I've never had any problems with the 318 the whole 11 years that my whole family owned it. If are you comparing HP, then a supercharged 318 produces almost just as much as the M3. Of course HP doesn't mean shit without torque. I mean, who cares if S2000 produces more HP per liter, its just a selling gimmick to attact customers. Where is the torque? If you have ever driven a Honda you would know. On a GS-R you really have to rev it up in the 5000RPM+ rev range to get power, otherwise those cars are dog slow.

I don't understand all these people who just get a new car then want to swap an M3 engine and turbocharge it. I think they are trying to commit suicide. They don't even have the basic feel for the BMW's hanlding yet. Always make sure your cars handling capabilities out perform your cars power. If not then your dead meat. I can still out perform my cars handling capabilities in my 318, so I need to improve the handling before I work on any serious engine modifications.

Whats the difference between swapping a 6 cyl into a 318ti and 318i? Its still just as difficult if not even more difficult on the "ti". After spending about $10,000 to swap the 6 cyl motor and everything else you need into the 318ti you still have to turbocharge it.. hmmm $30,000 extra for a turbo charged 325? I think I'll just get an M3.

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Old 06-25-2002, 01:36 AM   #13
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about 318 I heard stories that it is not realible, ask Rolled Out.
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s2000 are pretty quick no questions here.
Also I like s2000. It's not a highway killer, but still it nice and fast.
Yes torque and hp means a lot. Did you try to loose those X5 and 745i on the highway? I tried, no luck. They are right on my ass.
And those damn Euro M3s are damn fast!!!!!!!!!!
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s2000 are pretty quick no questions here.
Also I like s2000. It's not a highway killer, but still it nice and fast.
Yes torque and hp means a lot. Did you try to loose those X5 and 745i on the highway? I tried, no luck. They are right on my ass.
And those damn Euro M3s are damn fast!!!!!!!!!!
NO offsense to you rolled_out, but anyone who manages to break his differential with an automatic transmission is obviously abusing the car beyond belief.

Your still missing the point though, your talkign about S2000 being fast on the highway. What about the city? Thats what I'm talking about, TORQUE. Honda = no low end torque. I've said it once and I'll say it again. Honda is a great track car, but on the city streets its crap to drive.

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Whats the difference between swapping a 6 cyl into a 318ti and 318i? Its still just as difficult if not even more difficult on the "ti". After spending about $10,000 to swap the 6 cyl motor and everything else you need into the 318ti you still have to turbocharge it.. hmmm $30,000 extra for a turbo charged 325? I think I'll just get an M3.

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Because you can get 325i and you can't get 325ti here.
That was my point.
Yes it will be costly, noone said it would be cheap. But it would be a sick set up.
I would take 332ti over m3 any day!!!!
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