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05-09-2002, 07:53 PM
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Little Chino
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Richmond Hill, Ont
Posts: 4,991
Car: C32 - C280 - CLS550
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rear sub-frame failure help
I have the rear sub-frame failure on my '92 318. All '95 and later E36 models have the proper reinforcement and all the E36's before that have a design flaw. I'm briging my car to Charlie (bimmersport) to get the sub-frame repaired and reinforced and putting some new PU sub-frame mounts. Does anyone know what else I should put on reinforcement or parts as an extra percaution? I intend to do more autocrossing and hope that the rear sub-frame will be better than new since its the new reinforcement design. Also, if I heard a loud thud and lots of thumping noises comming from the rear while shifting that means its the sub-frame or the differential mounts? Thanks
Bryan
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05-09-2002, 07:56 PM
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Little Chino
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Richmond Hill, Ont
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here's a picture
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05-09-2002, 08:56 PM
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Your Nightmare
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: TO
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Car: Bimmers
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Re: rear sub-frame failure help
Check your guibo.
SL
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Originally posted by MTRD
Also, if I heard a loud thud and lots of thumping noises comming from the rear while shifting that means its the sub-frame or the differential mounts? Thanks
Bryan
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05-09-2002, 09:46 PM
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Little Chino
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Re: Re: rear sub-frame failure help
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Originally posted by KIRASIR
Check your guibo.
SL
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Check my wha?
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05-09-2002, 10:35 PM
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Woodbumbling at Mazda
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Toronto
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On your drive shaft you have a coupling that is made of rubber, check that for cracks too. If that is failed it is possible that excessive driveline vibration can cause other bodily stress.
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05-09-2002, 10:39 PM
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Your Nightmare
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Re: Re: Re: rear sub-frame failure help
Sorry guibo is what mogie said: a rubber "disk" between the driveshaft and the tranny.
SL
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Originally posted by MTRD
Check my wha?
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05-09-2002, 10:41 PM
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Little Chino
Join Date: Dec 2001
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Quote:
Originally posted by mogie
On your drive shaft you have a coupling that is made of rubber, check that for cracks too. If that is failed it is possible that excessive driveline vibration can cause other bodily stress.
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Thanks Mogie.. is that what a "guibo" is?
Does the drive shaft how to come out when repairing the rear sub-frame, also how much does the rubber peice costs? Can it be replaced with stronger urethane? Thanks
Bryan
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05-09-2002, 10:56 PM
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Little Chino
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Re: Re: Re: Re: rear sub-frame failure help
Quote:
Originally posted by KIRASIR
Sorry guibo is what mogie said: a rubber "disk" between the driveshaft and the tranny.
SL
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Thanks SL,
is this a common problem?
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05-10-2002, 12:51 AM
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Your Nightmare
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: rear sub-frame failure help
As far as I know guibo is a "wear" item. Since your bimmer is a 92 I would not be surprised that your guibo is shot. I think it costs about 70US from bavarianautosports. It's not really a problem, they wear out with time just like any other bushings.
I don't think it is advisable to replace it with a urithane one since its primary function is vibration dumpening, and urithane pretty much sucks at it.
Sergei
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Originally posted by MTRD
Thanks SL,
is this a common problem?
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05-10-2002, 06:54 AM
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Gets Blown Daily
Join Date: Jan 2002
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shit man
i hate hearing about this subframe failure stuff
how much does it cost to get the reinforcement plates installed?
if it's not too much, i'm probably better off safe than sorry
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05-10-2002, 07:25 AM
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Little Chino
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: rear sub-frame failure help
Quote:
Originally posted by KIRASIR
As far as I know guibo is a "wear" item. Since your bimmer is a 92 I would not be surprised that your guibo is shot. I think it costs about 70US from bavarianautosports. It's not really a problem, they wear out with time just like any other bushings.
I don't think it is advisable to replace it with a urithane one since its primary function is vibration dumpening, and urithane pretty much sucks at it.
Sergei
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Thanks, looks like this job is going to costs me close to $1000Cdn
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05-10-2002, 07:26 AM
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Little Chino
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Quote:
Originally posted by djcontra
shit man
i hate hearing about this subframe failure stuff
how much does it cost to get the reinforcement plates installed?
if it's not too much, i'm probably better off safe than sorry
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Approx. $600 + a few parts here and there. Possibly looking at $800-$1000Cdn.. ouch!
Bryan
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05-10-2002, 08:06 AM
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Gets Blown Daily
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is that just for installation? or is that to fix your cracked subframe AND installation?
If that's what it costs to upgrade when i dont have the problem, i think ill just buy the parts and find somebody else to do it heh
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Mods
-Vortech V9 G-Trim @ ~10psi w/ BOV
-Shortstack headers
-Vortech RRFPR
-255LPH Walbro fuel pump
-TEIN SS Coilovers w/ Pillowball mounts
-Keskin KT1 17x8.5 & 17x10
-Remus full catback
-Authentic Rieger Infinity I body kit
-SMT6 EMS (Untuned)
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05-10-2002, 04:56 PM
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Little Chino
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Richmond Hill, Ont
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The whole point of installing the reinforcement is to fix the crack. Its labour and parts together. Parts is not expensive, the labour will kill you. You have to drop the whole differential, drive shaft, suspension, rear seats, possibly the gas tank, etc etc.
Don't bother to reinforce it yet if its not broken. We have a saying, "if its not broken, don't fix it". You will know when the rear sub-frame is starting to crack, you can hear and feel it. Who knows, if you don't drive the card hard or even track it once in a while you might not even run into that problem.
Bryan
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07-30-2003, 08:13 PM
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do e30's have that problem too, or is it just for e36's?
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