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Old 01-14-2004, 09:20 PM   #31
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If you think that is ugly, you must go kill yourself right now.
M3 is a perfromance luxury car no matter what you say.
Im prety sure for the E30 M3 days, it was pretty damn heavy.
With new emission and safety laws cars are getting heavier and heavier.
m3 won tonns of awards, and even Jeremy, who hates BMW, praised it.

So, get a rope and a soap buddy j/k
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Old 01-14-2004, 09:29 PM   #32
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I never said the E46 is ugly, I said that car you posted is ugly

I never said they're a bad car either. Just their power:weight ratio is pretty weak considering how much more you pay for an M3. It's like the CSL, you're paying $25,000 for things you could do for $2500. Oh, and a chassis code and a boot logo.

And it's not even the weight, it's how it handles given it's status as a "turning car". True, it handles well, but it's fallen off the pedestal that the E30 M3 gave the M3 line.

And you cannot tell me that the 75lb front seats are necessary for safety Anyone care to weigh an E46 M3 seat? 75lbs was a guess.

To me high performance means: Considerable power, ultra-lightweight (to begin with, shouldn't be a $30,000 to go from heavy to not-so-heavy), and proper suspension geometry permitting good handling, coupled with stiff suspension thus removing majority of body roll and other negative characteristics of hard cornering.

*/rant in hopes of stirring up someone other than SickFinga*

PS - SickFinga come on man, give me a good strong response, none of this "If you think that car is ugly, you're an idiot" stuff. Give me reasons to love the car
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Old 01-14-2004, 10:23 PM   #33
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Here is a reason, you praise e30 m3 so much, but E46 m3 has better power to weight ratio.
Also why is E46 m3 a pig? Cobra weight even more.

I think i gave you a lot of strong responses and you didnt really give anything except it WEIGHT alot.
E46 M3 will outhandle e30 m3 period. and why you praise e30 m3 so much? please explain.
CSL were alway expensive BMWs. 3.0 CSL cost more money than Aston Martin, now compare M3 csl to cheapest aston martin.
And yes, seats are a part of the safty.

M3 weight less than C32 and S4.
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Old 01-14-2004, 10:25 PM   #34
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M3 weight less than C32 and S4.
Why are you comparing a coupe to 4 door sport sedans??
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Old 01-14-2004, 10:31 PM   #35
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Why are you comparing a coupe to 4 door sport sedans??
because they are compared like that in magazines...
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Because they are in the same class.
high performance versions of their entery cars.
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our little comparison!
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Old 01-14-2004, 10:34 PM   #41
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And since u guys are talking about interior quality, and if an M3 is better than a C32,....the S4 has the best quality and best performance. (straight accelerationit losses a bit, but laptimes are quite a bit faster) Plus the looks
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Old 01-14-2004, 10:49 PM   #42
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best quality and best performance?
pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease
not Audi or Benz can compete with S54B32
Audi is what? V8?
Benz is what? V6 Supercharged?

wanna go back in time?
previous audi was what?
V6 2.7 Twin Turbo?
and benz? C43 was a v8, wasnt it?
And c'mon Automatic?

Vadim, why I am comparing 4 door to 2 door?
well if you are talking about the weight.
E36 sedan were slightly lighter than coupes.
E46 coupe are 30 pounds lighter(not a big deal really)
So less doors doesnt always mean lighter.
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Old 01-14-2004, 10:53 PM   #43
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the type of engine that they have doesnt matter. They all put in what they thought would be best. And teh s4 has a 6 speed manual.
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the type of engine that they have doesnt matter. They all put in what they thought would be best. And teh s4 has a 6 speed manual.
yes it doesnt
but lets compare times and hp what those engine produce and lets see who got better car.

Auto was for benz
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Old 01-14-2004, 11:06 PM   #45
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Bmw has the best engineering,i aprreciate the fact that they dont need boost to compete with their rivals.Its all about NA!
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