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Old 12-09-2003, 03:47 AM   #16
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Unless you are an audiophile, you wont know the difference !
Most people dont wanna spend alotta money on car audio....

So they buy mediocre stuff... The hardcore car audio enthusiast would never buy from Best Buy or Future shop etc.

What I am getting at is buy what you like and can/want to afford.
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Old 12-09-2003, 03:47 AM   #17
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However, I do agree that kicker and Audiobahn are great for pure pounding bass.
all of the subs you listed will flat out rule anthing audiobahn and kicker makes and sound a million times better at the same time.
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Old 12-09-2003, 03:49 AM   #18
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Unless you are an audiophile, you wont know the difference !
Most people dont wanna spend alotta money on car audio....

So they buy mediocre stuff... The hardcore car audio enthusiast would never buy from Best Buy or Future shop etc.

What I am getting at is buy what you like and can/want to afford.
thats true but this stuff is only margianly more expensive, maybe $100 or $200 but it would sound worlds nicer and be louder too.
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Old 12-09-2003, 03:49 AM   #19
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all of the subs you listed will flat out rule anthing audiobahn and kicker makes and sound a million times better at the same time.
YES BUT YOU ALSO NEED A GREAT AMP !

I'd rather have an awesome amp with an "OK" Sub.
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Old 12-09-2003, 03:58 AM   #20
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Miguel.. this is what i have! the TREO TSX, and believe me it hammers a lot of subs in the market expecially at the $300 level

Great sound quality and extream excursion (for thoes insane low notes)

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Old 12-09-2003, 04:01 AM   #21
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Audiobahn will get loud. Low SQ.

RE is super super good. Hang around on soundomains forums and caraudioforums.com and they will let you know whats up.

JL w6 and w7 are awsome but hefty price.

An OK amp with a good sub or an OK sub with a good amp isn't ideal. Try to match the specs of the amp with the specs of the sub.

JL makes great amps, Zapco as well. Mixed opinions are had about RF amps and MTX amps.

Rob is right most people do not know the differeance. I did not know what clean bass was before I got rid of my bandpass setup and two mtx's.
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Old 12-09-2003, 04:02 AM   #22
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Rob is right most people do not know the differeance. I did not know what clean bass was before I got rid of my bandpass setup and two mtx's.
Am I ever wrong ? lol

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Old 12-09-2003, 04:02 AM   #23
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You gotta watch out cause some of the huge magnet really stiff speakers like these (below) are made more for Competition then for music.. so basicly your system will only play 1 or 2 notes loud and the require thousands of watts to run.

be warned of them



LOL.. all this talk reminds me of my Toyota's previous usage. It hit 152 db


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Old 12-09-2003, 04:09 AM   #24
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MTX trying to get back their rep..
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Old 12-09-2003, 04:23 AM   #25
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You gotta watch out cause some of the huge magnet really stiff speakers like these (below) are made more for Competition then for music.. so basicly your system will only play 1 or 2 notes loud and the require thousands of watts to run.
accualy you couldnt be further from the truth. all of the subs posted have large magnents like that and all sound great.

one of the biggest fators to consider when looking at a sub is xmax which is the one way linear displacement of a sub. one of the biggest limiting factors of xmax is the spider design.

take a look at this sub:

see how the spider slopes inward, common low end design
now look at this sub:

see how the spider goes out then down, it allows the cone to move as far as it wants, it will never hit the spider meaner alot more xmax which means alot more linear displacement which means alot louder.

another common misconception is that a sub must have rms power to sound the best, this also couldnt be further from the truth. power is completely dependant upon box size. take the brahma for example. it is rated at 1600 rms, does that mean it takes 1600 watts to get is moving to full xmax? hell no.
it is completely dependent upon the size of the box its in.
you can put it in a 2 cubic feet box and it only needs 600 watts to get is to full xmax, or you could put it in a .1 cubic foot box and it would take 2800 watts.

the bigest single problem in car audio is that people will always think that what they have sounds kick ass because they usualy dont have anything better to compare it too. there are kids at my school who think that their 10" explod is so loud and sounds so good.

oh and mtx blows
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I have had kicker solo(power hungry) JL's ,cerwin's ect. I liked them for the bass but your sound stage is made up more of the other speakers. Like say a 6 piece component set or compression loaded horn drivers. If you get a high end sub lots out there in a sealed box nothing too big or the bass will hang. You should be concered also with how much power they need.
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Schnell most people should give a sub its rms power or the sub is not going to perform to their expectations.

Therefore they crank it amp goes into clipping sqaure signal...

We both know what happens then.
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Schnell most people should give a sub its rms power or the sub is not going to perform to their expectations.

Therefore they crank it amp goes into clipping sqaure signal...

We both know what happens then.
you are right because most people know nothing of box sizing and use some shitty prefab box they got conned into buying along with the sub.

but since he is talking about a high end sub he should understand principles of box design and know that just because the brahma hes looking at says 1600 rms doesnt mean it needs 1600 watts. i will be purchasing one this spring with my birthday cash and i will only be giving it 600 watts but in a 2 cubic foot box that is the perfect amount of power for the 12 to reach its xmax.
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Old 12-09-2003, 04:55 AM   #29
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I agree with you somewhat..

I'm not an expert, just a hobbyist (a lot of expert wannabe's out there) and dummies..

My point ..I've always gone with the medium sized subs. top of the line usually sounds like garbage and cost a fortune expecially to power them. bottom of the line sounds good for a few weeks untill they start spewing smoke.. but every sub design is slightly different and there is no way to know how it will sound by looking at a picture, the Spider, the magnet, or some big tire sized surround. so YOU couldn't be further then the truth

You wanna build a system? the box is what makes a system! not the sub or amp. but it helps to start with a sub that has a long throw design, a nice motor (with a good sized voice coil 2.5-3 inch) and a light weight stiff cone. that's the making of a good sub for music but in the wrong box all that money is wasted!

I have a Treo TSX in a 2.4 cube ported box and it sounds insane, so i'm happy and would recommend the sub. but if you like JL subs.. put one of thoes in my box and it'll sound just about the same.

but whatever bla bla bla.. let em wast money and make people rich LOL

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I used to have term cad software to design boxes. I never used it so I sold it. Anyone know where you can get some?. Slowered318 is right bad box design and the sub dosent matter.
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