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Old 11-24-2003, 09:25 PM   #16
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type-r integra with s/c..and shocks/springs/tires should be as good as an M3 with i/h/e at the track
I have to disagree. No offense, but it's gonna take more than suspension/wheel mods to make up .8 seconds. After a few beers one night I decided to take a bud out for a ride and I'm telling ya it felt as if I was driving a Cracker Jack Box!!!!!!!!! I built my car over a duration of 15 months (98 Teg) and 15K cash so I have grown attached and love the car, but the truth is spoken. Anyhow I took a corner at like 45 and my s**t flew across both lanes kinda outta control......dude was like WHOA MAN you can drive, honestly I really didn't have control of the car I just lucked out as I pulled out of it. I didn't expect the car to handle so poorly due to the fact I've been rolling in an M3 for 3-4 months. It might be fast, but it's still a shined turd! Eventually I got tired of the money pit and got with the ral, which is why I prefer the M. Teg is for sale!

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Old 11-24-2003, 09:39 PM   #17
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1998 Acura Integra with 48,200 original miles

Just recently rebuilt B16A with B20 head (4,500 miles on this motor, new bearings rings etc. I had intended on sleeving, and building bottem end. I went with the B18/B20 route for the 8.2:1 compression ratio, low and able to with stand higher boost with no worries. If this combo is not your favorite then you can go with the B18B which I am throwing in....the cams fit LS heads ONLY.

Stock original 5 speed LS tranny, this works well with the turbo setup. LS Gearing gives the turbo the time it requires to "spool-up" (48,200K)

AEM adjustable Cam Gears

HKS Super sequential blow off valve (SSBOV)

I have a Starion Intercooler that is already mounted (relocated inlet & outlets) as well as an additional FMIC (NEW) shown in photos. All necessary charge piping, Silicon hoses & clamps (NEW), Vortec FMU (98), Walbro 255LPH (NEW), TDO5 turbo no chatter, I also have a catback 3"exhaust on order/ back order as well (NEW).

Fidanza 8lb aluminum flywheel (NEW)

Stage 2 ACT 6 puck non sprung hub clutch disc (NEW)

Brembo Front & Rear drilled & slotted rotors with ECB "Greenstuff" on all 4s. These work great, however there is better, below you will see. (4,500K).

I also have a "Fastbrakes" Wilwood 4 piston front big brake kit with 11.75" slotted rotors and ALL required brackets and hardware. I was going to have them powder coated "Red" before installing, was not offered @ the time of purchase.(NEW). http://www.fastbrakes.com/products/p...?partnum=FBH06

Tokiko Blues struts, Nuespeed "Sport" Springs, and 4 wheel Sprint camber kit, which was professionally aligned (4,500)

Black Momo Jet steering wheel (4,500K)

AutoMeter Pro Comp boost, air fuel, and oil pressure gages with ALL wiring & nylon already run. The gages currently illuminate, but air fuel and boost are not connected. (NEW & INSTALLED)

M3 power mirrors with Blue signals wired to alarm ONLY

2001 front & Rear GSR leather seats in awesome shape.

Alpine MP3 CDA-7995 head unit. 1 10" Kicker Solobaric (square) DVC L7, 2 sets Lanzar mid & Tweets xovers, Fosgate 401S and Precision Power 65x4 watts. Very clean sound with just enough bass for cab fill. The alarm is custom with window and moonroff modules installed. When armed the moonroof & windows ALL automatically close. Each window and moonroof can be rolled down remotely and individually as well.

car is sitting on Graphite 18x7.5" Konig Theory's. Nankang tires (2,000K)

I am unloading everythig I have for this so I am also throwing in JG1001 turbo cams as well as the original B18B, which has 43K miles on it.

without getting nit picky there is more stuff as you can see in the photos, Tenzo wipers, shifter, brake etc....Ruby Altezzas, clear signals, tint etc..

Man this thread is going in another direction.....sorry guys
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Old 11-25-2003, 01:03 AM   #18
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not to mention the weight to power ratio guys ,. civics are lightweights and with even a accord or prelude swap which is cheaper than a type r or SiR motor those can still fly a good speed with intake exhaust headers and the swap . maybe the CF hood if appl. but yeah civics are beasts but the need of the ridiculous cash to be spent to make them that fast boggles me . im gonna be fine gettin my VW golf 2 L and eventually boosting it around 10 PSI . and droppin some weight to contend .
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Old 11-25-2003, 01:19 AM   #19
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Well I recently rode in a 2000 Jetta witha supercharger, how disapointing it was..........slow. I politely asked the guy why in Sam hell did he drop 3K on that setup to install it on a slow ass weak base model Jetta. I mean dude could have bought a TDI or for that matter the VR6..both of which flirt around 180HP and have warranntys. He was like "I didn't have the money at the time". I feel if your gonna drop big coin, at least have it be fast mayne. I suppose everyone marches to the beat of their own drum.
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Old 11-25-2003, 01:59 AM   #20
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I have to disagree. No offense, but it's gonna take more than suspension/wheel mods to make up .8 seconds. After a few beers one night I decided to take a bud out for a ride and I'm telling ya it felt as if I was driving a Cracker Jack Box!!!!!!!!! I built my car over a duration of 15 months (98 Teg) and 15K cash so I have grown attached and love the car, but the truth is spoken. Anyhow I took a corner at like 45 and my s**t flew across both lanes kinda outta control......dude was like WHOA MAN you can drive, honestly I really didn't have control of the car I just lucked out as I pulled out of it. I didn't expect the car to handle so poorly due to the fact I've been rolling in an M3 for 3-4 months. It might be fast, but it's still a shined turd! Eventually I got tired of the money pit and got with the ral, which is why I prefer the M. Teg is for sale!
s/c= supercharger..

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ITR with tires, suspension is a really good handling car...not E46 M3..i'd say even with E36 M3..given the same HP..maybe a bit more to compensate for the torque loss and a good driver..
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Old 11-25-2003, 12:51 PM   #21
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Ahhh I gotcha......yeah a supercharged Type R might be somthing to be dealt with. Wow I guess I never even heard of somone doing this, high compression motor with forced induction ussually equals short life span. If you have a link let me know!
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Old 11-25-2003, 03:35 PM   #22
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So... can anyone explain these "TYPE R" and "SPOON" engines to me...??? I know their amazing... from experiance. I drove both about 2 years ago...






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Old 11-25-2003, 05:10 PM   #23
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Im not totally sure of why I hate civics, but i know I have my own couple reasons.
I dont think we should ignore people who say'atleast i drive a bmw' or whatever you can say...

because in the end, in my opinion, a bmw is a true sportscar.
I dont care how much you put into your civic, in the end, it may look and perform like a sports car, but I dont think you should call it that, its a frankenstein, thats what it is!!! RIGHT OFF THE LINE OF FABRICATION A BMW IS LABELLED>>>> A SPORTSCAR

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Old 11-25-2003, 05:44 PM   #24
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soo true
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Old 11-25-2003, 07:40 PM   #25
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Im not totally sure of why I hate civics, but i know I have my own couple reasons.
I dont think we should ignore people who say'atleast i drive a bmw' or whatever you can say...

because in the end, in my opinion, a bmw is a true sportscar.
I dont care how much you put into your civic, in the end, it may look and perform like a sports car, but I dont think you should call it that, its a frankenstein, thats what it is!!! RIGHT OFF THE LINE OF FABRICATION A BMW IS LABELLED>>>> A SPORTSCAR

Thats where my "it's still a turd" comes into play, however sportscar or not if the joker passes your arse and whips through corners like no other....I mean then what? I hear ya, but even Nascar uses weak ass body styles......Lumina etc. Lumina really isn't a sportscar, but the nascar one will bring it. These guys with the Civics mod the car so much that at times it's really only a Civic body. It wasn't engineered to be a sportscar from the factory, but in the garage rather. I have respect for those guys because they made their car faster than mine, anyone can buy a fast car, but not everyone can build one. They ride like s**t and in the end still remain a Civic so they win in the speed aspect just not in the style side. Yes that is opinion, but I'm willing to bet even on the Jap forums they'd agree to that. Civic VS M3 body style. BMW remains victorious!
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Old 11-25-2003, 10:27 PM   #26
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because in the end, in my opinion, a bmw is a true sportscar.
I dont care how much you put into your civic, in the end, it may look and perform like a sports car, but I dont think you should call it that, its a frankenstein, thats what it is!!! RIGHT OFF THE LINE OF FABRICATION A BMW IS LABELLED>>>> A SPORTSCAR
With this logic, who cares if an M3 CSL can run circles around a base Boxster, the Porsche has the image. Also, since when are 316iA's sportcars?

**** image. If I take you off the line or on a road course with an '89 CRX (and I could too, mind you), I'm still the winner in my opinion.
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Old 11-26-2003, 02:57 AM   #27
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With this logic, who cares if an M3 CSL can run circles around a base Boxster, the Porsche has the image. Also, since when are 316iA's sportcars?

**** image. If I take you off the line or on a road course with an '89 CRX (and I could too, mind you), I'm still the winner in my opinion.
I'm kinda there too, I mean s**t if my yuppie sports car aint bringing s**t to a race with a civic, whats image when your ass is getting handed to you. I mean cmon friggin "Fast & Furious" focused on this point. I'd rather be the guy in the Supra myself cause the biznitch in the Ferarri got owned. Again hats off to the guy who makes the vehicle go where it's not suppose to...in the end he knows his vehicle and still has 60K to throw in the bank, most of all just like the Civ whipped on me....the driver gets the most important trophy of all. SATIFACTION and another story for the books! I apologizr for bringing the movie up, but it seemed so right for this point. This thread has become an interesting one, glad everyone is keeping it for the most part clean.
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Old 11-27-2003, 07:31 AM   #28
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Dont get me wrong, I understand what some of you mean when you say you would rather be the guy who passes rather then the guy who got passed. Im in the same boat, i mean id rather pass then get passed.
This is gona be argued i know when i say it, but I feel like a BMW is a machine, a civic isnt.., to me it isnt about image. I give props to guys who put money into their stock car and make it go fast as s*it, i mean good for you your car goes faster, im happy for you, pass me all you want.
People have different ways of explaining what is and what isnt a sportscar, I mean isnt a red car labelled a sports car for insurance purposes, so you would pay more on a red car opposed to black? kinda same thing as 2dr vs 4dr.??
After dropping 12G-bos into a honda, to me, doesnt make it a sports car, yes its got the power, its got the turning capabilities, but No its not a sports car *to me*.

in the end, I'd take my lil 318i 4 banger, over any honda civic, honestly, and i have beaten crx in my whip, ive also lost. my car is a machine and das the bottom line
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Old 11-27-2003, 02:09 PM   #29
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It's also true that insane amounts of engineering time go into the BWMs which are Yes designed to perform. I Civic=economy car. So as I said it really is hard to take say $1,500.00 worth of suspension parts and think that now you have simply "outsmarted" the BMW community, not happening so this is again where I go back to the "cracker Jack Box" description of my Integra. Here is a little somthing a grabbed from another BMW forum!

Entwicklung, or Development. This is where the E codes designations came from starting in the mid-1960s. The E designation replaced the three-digit number sequence which was in use since the the days of the Isetta which was designated 100, through the 1965 BMW 1600 roadster carrying the 124 label.

The gaps within the E codes can be accounted for by vehicles which were in development but did not reach production. In addition, E codes were used on several BMW electric vehicle prototypes.

The Z designation was used in the Z1 which did not have an E code but finally fell under the E30 code, while the Z3 and Z8 used their own E codes. The Z code is also used for the Company's development test bed cars, where Z stands for zunkunft or future.

Here's a listing of the E codes as we know them to be for BMW vehicles.

Code
Series
Years
Cars

114/E6
-
1967-1977
1502, 1600, 1602, 1800, 1802, 2000, 2002ti/tii

E10/E12
-
1967-1977
E10 touring/wagon 3-door models, E12 2002tii/turbo

E3
2
1968-1977
2500, 2800, Bavaria, 3.0S/Si, 3.3Li

E9
2
1965-1975
2000CS, 2500CS, 2800CS, 3.0CS, 3.0CSi/L

E12
5
1972-1981
518, 518i, 520, 520i, 535, 525i, 528i, 530i, M535i

E21
3
1975-1983
316, 318i, 320, 320i, 320is

E24
6
1977-1989
628i, 630CS, 630CSi, 633CSi, 635CSi, M635CSi, L6

E26
-
1978-1981
M1

E28
5
1982-1988
518i, 520i, 524td, 525i, 525e, 528e, 533i, 535i, M535i, M5

E30
3
1983-1991
316, 316i, 318i, 318is, 320i, 323i, 324td, 325e, 325i, 325ix, 325is, M3

E31
8
1990-1999
840i, 840Ci, 850i, 850Ci, 850CSi

E32
7
1988-1994
730i, 735i, 735iL, 740i, 740iL, 750iL

E34
5
1988-1996
518i, 520i, 525i, 525ix, 525td, 525tds, 530i, 535i, 540i, M5

E30/Z1
Z1
1989-1991
Z1 convertible

E36
3
1991-1999
316i, 318i, 318is, 320i, 323i, 325i, 325td, 325tds, 328i, 328is, M3

E36/5
3
1991-1999
3 series compact: 318ti, 318tds

E36/7
Z3
1996-current
Z3 Convertible, M Convertible

E36/8
Z3
1996-current
Z3 Coupe, M Coupe

E38
7
1995-2001
728i, 730i, 730d, 735i, 740i, 740d, 740iL, 750i, 750iL, L7

E39
5
1997-current
520i, 523i, 535tds, 528i, 530d, 535i, 540i, M5

E46
3
1999-current
318i, 318Ci, 325iT, 325ti, 323i, 323Ci, 328i, 328Ci, 320d, 330i, 330Ci, 330d, 330dSE, M3

E52
Z8
2000-2003
Z8

E53
X5
2000-current
3.0i, 3.0d, 4.4i, 4.6is

E60
5
2003-
All new 5 series sedan

E65
7
2002-
745i, 750i

E66
7
2002-
745Li, 760Li (long wheel base E65)

E85
Z4
2003-
Z4 2.5i and 3.0i roadster

And the upcoming new models

E55
X7
??
Larger X5, the X7 is on hold for now

E61
5
2003
New 5 series touring/wagon

E63
6
2003/4
New 6 series

E81
1
2004/5
New 1 series

E83
X3
2003/4
New small SAV, the X3

E85/2
Z
2004
Possible Z5 coupe

E90
3
2006/?
Next gen 3er
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Old 11-27-2003, 09:22 PM   #30
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LOL H22, sure it might......rare swap. I am about to post on Ebay a 95 Civic with a B18B swap running 7lbs of boost. Guys interested, especially after this story! 6 grand!!! Skunk 2 springs, N1 exhaust, 17" wheels other than that it's stock as far as appearance goes.
even though you think its a rare swap its not. its more and more popular now, if you go on trader.ca you can usually find atleast a couple every week.

the H22A has 220 hp , 220 hp in a civic is alot, these things can run high 11's.
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