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Old 11-11-2003, 05:21 PM   #16
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If thats really the only difference, then I'd just go with the A60 if I was in your position.... I almost never set my camera to 2048 X 1536.... usually have it at 1600 X 1200
Ya, thats what Im saying.

Only problem is that I dont want to regret it later, by not spending the extra bit and getting the better camera. The only real reason is the video, I definately could see myself using the 640 X 480 quality video, rather than only 320 X 240.

Will I regret the A60?????????????????
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Old 11-11-2003, 10:11 PM   #17
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Wow, I am still researching the cameras, and now I am looking at the Canon Powershot A300. It is basically the same camera as the A70 with features and options, but is $100 cheaper. And it looks better IMO.
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Old 11-11-2003, 10:28 PM   #18
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I wouldnt let the video modes be a big factor. Most record at 15 FPS, and although its not that bad... I wouldnt let it effect witch camera you buy. And again, in video mode I usually set it to 320x240.. cuz I find that at 640x480 the video looks choppier, even though they're both 15 FPS.. just seems that way.
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Old 11-12-2003, 12:47 AM   #19
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Update:

Canon A300 sucks - no optical zoom (boo!)
Canon A70 - great camera, but ugly IMO (boo!)

Canon SD100 - Pimp!
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Old 11-12-2003, 01:24 AM   #20
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mk,

if u want to choose between the SD100 and A70, i'd say it depends what your looking for. if its size, then the SD100 is best.

also:

SD100 is 2x Optical Zoom
A70 is 3x Optical Zoom
(don't worry about digital Zoom, it's useless) unless u want pixelated pics.

SD100: has no Manual Focus
A70: does

SD100: proprietary battery (expensive)
A70: (4 x AA) easier to come by

SD100: cannot accept Wide/Tele Lens
A70: optional

Recording Media
SD100: SD, 256 @ $114
A70: CF (Compact Flash), 256 @ $85

Aperature Range
SD100: f/2.8-3.9
A70: f/2.8-4.9

Since the A70 has a smaller aperature of 4.9 (smaller is the higher number) means it will allow you to use a slow shutter speed on a bright sunny day. slow shutter speed allows you to depict motion.

Another advantage of the 4.9 vs 3.9 is the increased DOF (depth-of-field). it will allow you to take landscape pictures where the foreground and background will be more in focus.

The only advantage the SD100 has is its portable size. other than that, i would lean towards the A70.

the A70 may seem ugly, but i've held it and its very comfortable to hold. feels like a camera. the battery holder that forms the mold gives your hand a nice place to grip.

hope this helps....
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Old 11-12-2003, 01:37 AM   #21
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mk,

if u want to choose between the SD100 and A70, i'd say it depends what your looking for. if its size, then the SD100 is best.

also:

SD100 is 2x Optical Zoom
A70 is 3x Optical Zoom
(don't worry about digital Zoom, it's useless) unless u want pixelated pics.

SD100: has no Manual Focus
A70: does

SD100: proprietary battery (expensive)
A70: (4 x AA) easier to come by

SD100: cannot accept Wide/Tele Lens
A70: optional

Recording Media
SD100: SD, 256 @ $114
A70: CF (Compact Flash), 256 @ $85

Aperature Range
SD100: f/2.8-3.9
A70: f/2.8-4.9

Since the A70 has a smaller aperature of 4.9 (smaller is the higher number) means it will allow you to use a slow shutter speed on a bright sunny day. slow shutter speed allows you to depict motion.

Another advantage of the 4.9 vs 3.9 is the increased DOF (depth-of-field). it will allow you to take landscape pictures where the foreground and background will be more in focus.

The only advantage the SD100 has is its portable size. other than that, i would lean towards the A70.

the A70 may seem ugly, but i've held it and its very comfortable to hold. feels like a camera. the battery holder that forms the mold gives your hand a nice place to grip.

hope this helps....
Thanks for this write up. Now, are these differences very significant? I mean, I am going to be using this camera for pics/vids of my car and for pictures of family and friends. Im not really an expert and so these differences may not be that significant for me.

The reason I am leaning towards the SD100, because of the SD cards (I already have one at home from my old digicam), and I would rather have a rechargable battery, than rechargable AA batteries that I would have to buy.

I know someone who has the S230 (basically same as the SD100) and he said it was a great camera, except for the zoom. But that is the only thing he complained about.
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Now, are these differences very significant? I mean, I am going to be using this camera for pics/vids of my car and for pictures of family and friends. Im not really an expert and so these differences may not be that significant for me.

The reason I am leaning towards the SD100, because of the SD cards (I already have one at home from my old digicam),

and I would rather have a rechargable battery, than rechargable AA batteries that I would have to buy.

the extra 1x and smaller aperature. i'd say these will come in handy, beginner or intermediate.

just how big is the SD? these days, i wouldn't get anything lower than 128mb. Compact Flash has become the clear winner in the media war. if you invest in CF now, you'll have more compatiblity with the CF than the SD. in the long run, you'll save alot more $$ going with Compact Flash.

trust me, your going to want a second battery. a second battery from Canon will cost about $70. you can pick up a quick charger w/ 2000mah batteries for about $55. then additional batteries are only $24 for 4 AA NiMH.
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I know someone who has the S230 (basically same as the SD100) and he said it was a great camera, except for the zoom. But that is the only thing he complained about.
I guess I should add that that's the camera I have (S230)... same complaint as your friend. Otherwise its great, and I love how small it is. I'm still trying to learn how to take good night shots though.
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Crap, everytime I think I am set on the camera I want, I get all confused again. Right now its between the A70, SD100/S230. Make up my mind for me guys.

Koncise, can u show me some night shots with the S230? I would like to see some.
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Old 11-12-2003, 02:19 AM   #25
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Here are the prices for each Camera in usd:

Canon A70:
Camera $274
128 MB $50
64mb $40
Rechargable batteries and charger $50

Total: $414

Canon SD100:
Camera $310 + Free 64 Mb card (promotion)
Free 128mb card (that I had from before)

Total = $310

Now this would give me the same memory and chargability for each camera. But does the 1X extra zoom, and the extra DOF equal to an extra $104?
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Old 11-12-2003, 02:27 AM   #26
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Here are the prices for each Camera in usd:

Canon A70:
Camera $274
128 MB $50
64mb $40
Rechargable batteries and charger $50

Total: $414

Canon SD100:
Camera $310 + Free 64 Mb card (promotion)
Free 128mb card (that I had from before)

Total = $310

Now this would give me the same memory and chargability for each camera. But does the 1X extra zoom, and the extra DOF equal to an extra $104?
you would need to add another battery on the SD100 to balance it out.
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Old 11-12-2003, 02:30 AM   #27
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you would need to add another battery on the SD100 to balance it out.
How come? Do the 4 AA rechargables last longer? (ie lifetime wise)
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Old 11-12-2003, 02:34 AM   #28
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How come? Do the 4 AA rechargables last longer? (ie lifetime wise)
actually the propriety battery will last alot longer. however, your pricing both cams with 2 sets of batteries each right?

each cam should include 1 battery.
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Koncise, can u show me some night shots with the S230? I would like to see some.
here are some of my better night shots... keep in mind though, this is just using the default camera settings with no flash. I just now learned about the exposure settings and crap, so when I get the camera back in 2 weeks (its w/ parents in germany) I'm gonna try some new night shots... hopefully with better results.

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http://www25.brinkster.com/koncise/IMG_1237.jpg

http://www25.brinkster.com/koncise/IMG_1242.jpg

http://www25.brinkster.com/koncise/IMG_1246.jpg

http://www25.brinkster.com/koncise/IMG_1251.jpg
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actually the propriety battery will last alot longer. however, your pricing both cams with 2 sets of batteries each right?

each cam should include 1 battery.
Just one set for each. The A70 comes with just the regular batteries, so need to get a charger + rechargables for it and that is an extra $50.

SD100 comes with the rechargable battery
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