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Old 09-29-2003, 10:14 PM   #16
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I have driven both and the RSX-S will smoke a 328 in both acceleration and cornering. Forget for a moment that one is a BMW and the other is an acura and think only of the numbers - the power to weight ratio is far better on the acura - the lower weight will also help it corner better plus the suspension design is great. My friend's RSX-S can even smoke my maxima on the top end and I can run a 14.2 1/4 to his 14.6.

The fine print is that the RSX-S is a much harder car to drive and leaves room for lots of driver error - I believe you beat one easily because if the RSX driver makes one mistake you're gone.
A stock RSX-S best 1/4 is 14.8. 0 - 60 is 6.1
A stock 328i best 1/4 is 14.9. 0 - 60 6.3

I don't think he "smokes" me in acceleration.
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Old 09-29-2003, 10:19 PM   #17
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A stock RSX-S best 1/4 is 14.8. 0 - 60 is 6.1
A stock 328i best 1/4 is 14.9. 0 - 60 6.3

I don't think he "smokes" me in acceleration.
He does believe me, I have raced one and he put at least 4 cars on me at the end of a 1/4 kilometer, never mind a 1/4 mile
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Old 09-29-2003, 11:26 PM   #18
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A stock RSX-S best 1/4 is 14.8. 0 - 60 is 6.1
A stock 328i best 1/4 is 14.9. 0 - 60 6.3
Where are you getting these numbers from????
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Old 09-29-2003, 11:40 PM   #19
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Acelleration #'s between the cars should be close, however in the twisties a FWD car (understeer) is more difficult to handle at high speed than a RWD car, not necessarily meaning the RWD is "better" just easier, + the torque of the bimmers give more margin for what gear you are in, where in the RSX you'd need to have your RPM's up to take you out of the turn quickly. RSX-S's take alot of heat because most people that buy them don't know how to drive them

edit: also the tires that come on all the RSX's are kinda shitty

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Old 09-29-2003, 11:49 PM   #20
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Acelleration #'s between the cars should be close, however in the twisties a FWD car (understeer) is more difficult to handle at high speed than a RWD car, not necessarily meaning the RWD is "better" just easier, + the torque of the bimmers give more margin for what gear you are in, where in the RSX you'd need to have your RPM's up to take you out of the turn quickly. RSX-S's take alot of heat because most people that buy them don't know how to drive them

edit: also the tires that come on all the RSX's are kinda shitty
A lot of acura's and honda's come with Firestone tires from the factory....
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Old 09-29-2003, 11:55 PM   #21
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No one with any numbers on handling?
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Old 09-30-2003, 12:00 AM   #22
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Car and Driver said the RSX Type S pulls 0.83g on the skidpad and does 58.6 mph through the slaloms.......
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Old 09-30-2003, 12:58 AM   #23
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Where are you getting these numbers from????
www.caranddriver.com and www.edmunds.com for the 0 - 60 times.

The 1/4 mile times from slips I've seen.
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Old 09-30-2003, 07:52 PM   #24
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Please....

Take a look at some facts.

From CanadianDriver website.
The best performers in the frontal crash tests were the Acura MDX, Honda Pilot, Honda Odyssey, Acura RSX, Honda Civic hatchback, Pontiac Vibe, Toyota Matrix, Toyota Corolla, and Saab 9-5.


Car: Acura RSX 2-DR. w/SAB
Size Class:Compact
Year:2002
Curb Weight (lbs):2708
Frontal Driver: 5
Frontal Passenger:5
Side:4

Car:BMW 3 Series 4-DR. w/SAB
Size Class:Medium
Year:2002
Curb Weight (lbs):3196
Frontal Driver:4
Frontal Passenger:5
Side:Not Tested

For the price, I'd feel safe in a RSX.
Don't get me started on safety.....yes the japanese and Americans are making safe cars, and for frontal and side impact Im sure they are just as good as BMW's, but the minute you roll them, the japanese and American's roofs will crush, whereas BMW roofs will stand up. I have experienced this first hand, and it's one of the many reason's that I WILL NOT drive anything else. Now most of the European manufacturers also have the reinforced roofs like BMW, and I just hope that the Japanese and Americans can adopt some of the same.....and I believe that they are.

Oh ya.....and does it really matter if an RSX-type S can beat a 328i?? We all know what the better car is don't we? haha, I dont know about you, but there are a lot more reasons than speed that I buy BMW's!

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Old 09-30-2003, 08:09 PM   #25
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Old 09-30-2003, 08:15 PM   #26
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Old 10-01-2003, 06:31 PM   #27
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No one with any numbers on handling?
First of all, skidpad and slalom numbers generally mean SQUAT when it comes to overall handling.

First of all, magazine cars are hand-picked factory demos, so the numbers the magazine reports *may* or *may not* translate into real world performance.

Two, tire choice has far more to do with handling ability than FWD vs RWD. There are cars that handle just as well as a FWD car as others do with RWD; trust me, I race against several of them nearly every weekend. The top three cars in my class are all FWD cars (two Acura Integra's and one VW Golf).

RWD cars have the advantage of the driver being able to independently control the wheels on each end of the car; steering input on one end, throttle input on the other. However, especially in a street application, there is no reason why a FWD car can't handle as well (or better) than a RWD car.

The RSX-S handles extremely well. I've seen a couple of street going RSX-S turning low 1:40's around Mosport, which a stock 328is would have a tough time matching (if at all).


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Old 10-01-2003, 10:52 PM   #28
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I like my 328is much better then a rice rocket, I used to drive mid 13 sec. car before the bimmer, it was more rommier and all, but itsnot a bimmer, bimmer is much better car overall, In stock form a bimmer is a much better car for the money than a rxs-s.

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but dont get me wrong, RSX is no slouch!
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Old 10-01-2003, 11:17 PM   #29
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.... the japanese and American's roofs will crush, whereas BMW roofs will stand up.
I'd like to see the proof behind this statement.... personally, I'd rather be in newer RSX than an older BMW e30 in terms of an accident. There is a lot be said about engineering in terms of energy absorption. The new 5 Series front structure is out of aluminum, but I bet it was engineered to take accidents well. So do a lot of newer cars!

I know Volvo has some amazing crash results, especially in the roof department. It doesn't mean all European cars have superb roof structures in a rollovers. I heard in Sweden, if a Volvo is an accident near central areas, a Volvo crash team flies out to see how the car fared and gather valuable data.
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Old 10-01-2003, 11:58 PM   #30
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BMW 320i
Base MSRP $ 34,950.00
  • Inline 6-cylinder engine, 24 valves, 2.2 L, 168hp
  • 5-speed manual transmission
  • Double VANOS "steplessly" variable valve timing
  • 16" Steel Wheel w/Cover Standard
  • Sand w/Leatherette Upholstery No Charge
  • In Dash Single CD
  • Power Windows, Doors etc.
  • Front seats, 6-way Manually adjustable
  • No Sunroof...



Acura RSX Type S
MSRP: #31,300.00
  • 200 hp @ 7400 rpm
  • 6-speed close-ratio manual
  • 4-valves-per-cylinder, chain-driven, dual-overhead-camshafts with i-VTEC
  • Dark finish aluminum alloy, 16" x 6.5" JJ
  • Perforated leather-trimmed seats,
  • In-dash 6 CD changer
  • Power Windows, Doors etc,
  • Power Seats, Tilt/height adjustable driver's seat
  • Power-operated moon roof with tilt, privacy glass and sunshade


The RSX Type S is going to be faster than the 320i, and at a better price. Heck, even my 325i will probably get beat by a Type-S RSX.
BMW has never been about good value. Most of the time, people buy these cars with their hearts. You just want one!!!

If it came down to buying a used $30,000 BMW with higher miles, or a brand new RSX-S, I would have to think about this real hard.
Honestly, I'm not sure which car I would take at the moment....
A higher mileage BMW, or a brand new Acura.... I don't care about the "image" a bmw portrays, but the actual car/features/fun factor for the money I spend.

1999 323i w/50K $30,900 http://ntisweb3.salessupport.com/bmw...sp?iCarUID=430
1999 328i w/80K $31,900 http://ntisweb3.salessupport.com/bmw...sp?iCarUID=101

But I'm not saying the BMW 328i is a bad car.. how could you ever say that. But the RSX Type S is a good car as well.
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