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Old 06-07-2014, 03:46 PM   #1
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OPP Anti Hudak ad creates controversy - now being compared to Nazi's on FB

TORONTO - The Ontario Provincial Police Association (OPPA) has donated almost $30,000 to the Ontario Liberal Party, according to Elections Ontario records.

And a transcript of a discussion between OPPA executive members prior to their decision to buy attack ads show there was a heated discussion about the issue.

That contradicts the assertion from OPPA President Jim Christie that in releasing ads targeting PC leader Tim Hudak, the police union is not endorsing a party — they’re simply opposed to Hudak.

The ads released Monday use an old OPP public service ad.

“We’re here to keep you safe,” says one ad, which shows a uniformed officer pushing a lawbreaker into a cruiser.

“We’re the OPP and we’re here for you. Who’s Tim Hudak here for?” the voiceover asks.

The transcript — obtained by the Toronto Sun — shows there was a heated debate between members who wanted to support their local PC MPPs, while some agreed with some of Hudak’s policies.

One police retiree raised the issue of government spending.

“My fear is that someone in government needs to rein in the spending, because my kids and their kids will not be able to continue to pay for my government pension, etc.,” although he went on to say that “Hudak has foot-in-mouth disease” and “he’s no friend of the unions.”

Another member noted that some Toronto Police Association retirees are talking about supporting the PCs, “based on past allegiance and dislike for the current premier.”

Several members were concerned that they wanted to support local PC MPPs, such as Vic Fideli in Nipissing, John Yakabuski in Renfrew-Nipissing-Pembroke, Garfield Dunlop in Simcoe North and Norm Miller in Parry Sound-Muskoka.

“In Parry Sound-Muskoka, Norm Miller could be caught with his winker hanging out and still win the election,” said one executive.

Another pointed out, “the Libs are hacking and slashing the ops with reckless

abandon also. No new money for collective bargaining in the next few years if they win.”

But Christie was determined — and talked about of the need to protect police pay and perks.

Hudak is proposing a two-year wage freeze for cops.

“The Libs are saying all the right things so far and that will be getting worked on each and every day until the polls are open,” Christie told the executive.

He says there’s nothing wrong with the OPPA donating to the Liberals.

“We have contributed to many many PC requests in the past couple of years, not as much to the central party but a lot to the riding associations and PC members,” he said.

He estimates they’ve donated “the same or more” to PCs.

“A golf tourney or leader’s dinner generally takes care of the party donations.” he said.

“In a live member chat there were numerous exchanges about who would be the best party to form government in terms of the future welfare of our members.

“The term ‘lesser of three evils’ was used not by myself but by members, which speaks to the fact that we did not endorse a party for valid reasons.

“I was asked to comment on possible outcomes.”

OPP Commissioner Vince Hawkes released a statement saying his force does not support the OPPA campaign.

“Its advertising campaign is not supported or authorized in any way by the Ontario Provincial Police and the opinions expressed are not those of the Ontario Provincial Police.”

Here’s what I know: there are two ongoing criminal investigations going on by the OPP that involve the highest political levels at Queen’s Park. I’m sure the OPP is an extremely professional organization, but the OPPA has created a conflict with these ads.

The probes into Ornge and the deleted e-mails should immediately be handed over to another force — either the RCMP or Toronto Police Service.

If cops want to dabble in politics, that’s fine. But on their own time. And not in uniform

from comments:

'It becomes very worrisome whenever people with guns (police/military/paramilitary) who are sworn to uphold the law begin taking political stances. The Gestapo is perhaps an extreme example, but that's the reason why it is essential that these forces remain politically neutral. I believe that people of all political stripes can agree with me on this...' 54 likes

'OPP Commissioner Vince Hawkes released a statement saying his force does not support the OPPA campaign; so why are there OPP officers with OPP logos and OPP vehicles in the ad. Who allowed that? The crown on the OPP logo belongs to the Queen; did the Queen give her blessing; did the Lieutenant Governor of Ontario give his blessing to run the ad. Heads should roll over this one!' 44 likes


OPP compared to Nazis on Facebook

OTTAWA - A local Tory volunteer has admitted to posting an image likening provincial cops to Nazis and Liberal leader Kathleen Wynne to Adolf Hitler.

A screenshot Facebook picture, obtained by the Sun, was uploaded June 3 under an account for Robert Stocki, a former Ottawa police officer who is currently listed on the board of directors for the Ottawa West-Nepean PC Association.

It depicts known dictators and their troops: Benito Mussolini's black shirts, Hitler's brown shirts, Vladimir Putin's green shirts, along with Kathleen Wynne's "blue shirts" -- OPP officers.

Wynne's face is not used.

"History demonstrates it has never been a good thing when uniformed forces influence a democratic election process," reads the caption posted on Stocki's account.

"Never be influenced by force when it comes to an election," it continues. "On June 12th, 2014, Vote Against Corruption."

The comparison was made the day after the Ontario Provincial Police Association, led by Jim Christie, released two controversial attack ads against PC leader Tim Hudak for his stance on arbitration, public sector pensions and wage freezes.

Stocki initially denied posting the picture, saying, "There's nothing suggesting Kathleen Wynne has anything to do with Hitler."

He e-mailed it to the Sun as "one of the many" images circulating on Facebook regarding the OPPA's position, but later recanted.

"I completely stand up for what I'm saying," said Stocki, adding his Facebook account hasn't been hacked.

While four people 'liked' the post, others denounced it.

"There is partisan politics, and then there is sheer stupidity," wrote a man who identified himself as a city cop, calling it "shameful" to lump OPP with those "responsible for the execution and deaths of millions" of people.

"No, you're right, the OPP is not involved in executions," was the reply under Stocki's name.

"But they are a uniformed public body with coercive power and they used the spoils of their office, cruisers and uniforms, to make their political attack."

Stocki spent 13 years as a sergeant and traffic cop with OPS and now works as a paralegal.

He has a website,, helping motorists beat charges.

Stocki confirmed he's volunteering for PC candidate Randall Denley's campaign.

Denley, a former Ottawa Citizen columnist, is running against Liberal incumbent Bob Chiarelli.

"The comments are sickening and should be immediately repudiated and condemned by both Randall Denley and Tim Hudak," Chiarelli said Thursday.

"This is what happens when leaders try to irresponsibly ratchet up the rhetoric, as we saw the Hudak campaign do in relation to the police unions over the last few days."

Christie was unavailable for comment Thursday
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Old 06-07-2014, 10:31 PM   #2
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This is so stupid.

The Ontario Provincial Police Association (OPPA) is not the OPP. They are not one and the same. They are not interchangeable organizations.

The ottawa sun is a joke of news paper to draw up parallels and make the bold comment of "If cops want to dabble in politics, that’s fine. But on their own time. And not in uniform"
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Old 06-07-2014, 10:56 PM   #3
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PC's will win. The LIBERALS wont Wynne.
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