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Old 05-23-2014, 11:02 AM   #16
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Old 05-23-2014, 11:13 AM   #17
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The man clearly did something that is not allowed based on the law that we have as of today and was punished according to the law that we have as of today. Harsh or not is completely irrelevant as it is within the judge's power to chose the sentence based on their experience and judicial guidance (precedence etc).

You guys (those that are debating with Murchie) clearly dont understand what "free speech" is. Free speech is the right to express your opinion without censorship or restraint. Not do as you please...

Free speech is not dressing up as a muslim imam in downtown and asking people on the street to draw the prophet mohammad. Now, I am NOT muslim, but even I would find this offensive because it is equivalent to someone dressing up as a priest and hiring a few 10 year old boys to drop their pants so you can hump their bare asses infront of every church in downtown toronto. THIS IS NOT FREE SPEECH...

If you can't get your facts straight... shut your mouth or else you are just a contributing factor to how stupid we are considered by the rest of the world and how much more "American" we are becoming... Thanks (for nothing to most)
before you get all lippy and self righteous, which law exactly did he break?
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Old 05-23-2014, 11:41 AM   #18
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Public incitement of hatred

319. (1) Every one who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of
(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or
(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Wilful promotion of hatred:

(2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of
(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or
(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

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(3) No person shall be convicted of an offence under subsection (2)
(a) if he establishes that the statements communicated were true;
(b) if, in good faith, he expressed or attempted to establish by argument an opinion on a religious subject;
(c) if the statements were relevant to any subject of public interest, the discussion of which was for the public benefit, and if on reasonable grounds he believed them to be true; or
(d) if, in good faith, he intended to point out, for the purpose of removal, matters producing or tending to produce feelings of hatred toward an identifiable group in Canada.
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Subsection 718.2: Other sentencing principles
718.2. A court that imposes a sentence shall also take into consideration the following principles:
(a) a sentence should be increased or reduced to account for any relevant aggravating or mitigating circumstances relating to the offence or the offender, and, without limiting the generality of the foregoing,

(i) evidence that the offence was motivated by bias, prejudice or hate based on race, national or ethnic origin, language, colour, religion, sex, age, mental or physical disability, sexual orientation, or any other similar factor,
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Old 05-23-2014, 11:46 AM   #19
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The man clearly did something that is not allowed based on the law that we have as of today and was punished according to the law that we have as of today. Harsh or not is completely irrelevant as it is within the judge's power to chose the sentence based on their experience and judicial guidance (precedence etc).

You guys (those that are debating with Murchie) clearly dont understand what "free speech" is. Free speech is the right to express your opinion without censorship or restraint. Not do as you please...

Free speech is not dressing up as a muslim imam in downtown and asking people on the street to draw the prophet mohammad. Now, I am NOT muslim, but even I would find this offensive because it is equivalent to someone dressing up as a priest and hiring a few 10 year old boys to drop their pants so you can hump their bare asses infront of every church in downtown toronto. THIS IS NOT FREE SPEECH...

If you can't get your facts straight... shut your mouth or else you are just a contributing factor to how stupid we are considered by the rest of the world and how much more "American" we are becoming... Thanks (for nothing to most)
Making fun a particular belief is not the same as inciting hate. He did not call for violence, he did not call them sub-human. He used conveniently easy traits of a religion to poke fun at it, and if YOU can't get your facts straight let me spell it out for ya. You do not have the right to not be offended.
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Making fun a particular belief is not the same as inciting hate. He did not call for violence, he did not call them sub-human. He used conveniently easy traits of a religion to poke fun at it, and if YOU can't get your facts straight let me spell it out for ya. You do not have the right to not be offended.
How did he NOT call for violence? You dont think what he did could in the end result in violence? Something like this could escalate very quickly.

He crossed that fine line and deserves what he got. In the end, justice was served.
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Old 05-23-2014, 12:05 PM   #21
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^^^ Awesome lol

Also Religion is a joke and just ruins shit for everyone.

I love this too, where he flawlessly explains the origin and need for religion

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How did he NOT call for violence? You dont think what he did could in the end result in violence? Something like this could escalate very quickly.

He crossed that fine line and deserves what he got. In the end, justice was served.
Show me where he called for violence. Words are not fists, one does not always lead to the other. I'd be more concerned with the irate crowd who refuse to hear anything but admiration for their beliefs than the sole individual sharing his beliefs, as crass as they may be.

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What you do privately is your own business, but calling upon the entire city to do this is just idiotic. He clearly knew pork is not permissible in Islam, so why go there? This guy is clearly sick and needs help.

How is this extremist? Go utter words of hate about the queen downtown and see how well that goes. Come on man, it's common sense and you clearly lack that.

We need to live in harmony with each other, and respect other religions and their beliefs. And about your drawing, you are very ignorant to say the least!
Why, because it offends you? Your idolization of a pedophile offends me, shall I call for you to not be able to practice your belief because of that?

I said enforcement of religious practices with incarceration is extreme, not that this particular situation was. He was jailed because an overzealous judge found his efforts to have "vilified Muslims and disparages their religion". It is of my opinion that all religion is of little worth, so not I do not need to respect it.
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Old 05-23-2014, 01:44 PM   #23
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Words are not fists, agreed. But actions speak louder than words. Placing a drawing of what he calls the Prophet next a piece of pork is clearly wrong. Do you agree with this? You think it was okay for him to do this? Do you not agree that this is stirring up trouble? It's common sense dude.

Elaborate on this pedophile comment you mentioned. Who are you calling a pedophile?

If it's your opinion that religion is of little worth then that's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

Islam teaches Muslims to respect others and their beliefs. We expect the same in return. It's that simple.
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Placing "the prophet" next to a piece of pork is wrong. to you. because you're a muslim. to everyone else its meaningless. if i started a religion wherein wearing the colour green is offensive, would i be allowed to ban people from wearing green? If you started promoting people wearing green would you be inciting hatred towards my religion?
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Old 05-23-2014, 02:02 PM   #25
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And you think that this guy who's sitting in jail knew that pork is not allowed. I bet he knew well of this.

Your analogy makes no sense at all.

Anyways my point has been made and i'm done here. See you guys at one of the cruises.
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Of COURSE he knew of it, that's exactly why he used it to get under your skin. You call me ignorant yet you cannot even intelligently evaluate this situation and the intent

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Placing a drawing of what he calls the Prophet next a piece of pork is clearly wrong. Do you agree with this? You think it was okay for him to do this? Do you not agree that this is stirring up trouble? It's common sense dude.
No I do not think it is wrong. Your beliefs have no bearing on my life, I could care less what a individual chooses to do in terms of taking something I hold dear and making a farce of it. We live in a free society, so long as he is using only words then have at it. I know I'm speaking to a wall here as you cannot even grasp this situation without bias.

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Elaborate on this pedophile comment you mentioned. Who are you calling a pedophile?
Your prophet was a practicing pedophile.

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Islam teaches Muslims to respect others and their beliefs. We expect the same in return. It's that simple.
Islam teaches respect and peace until someone goes against the Qur'an, then god help them. Do not confuse individual Muslims who've adopted modern day civility with Islam being a religion of peace and tolerance, they are two vastly differing concepts.
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Of COURSE he knew of it, that's exactly why he used it to get under your skin. You call me ignorant yet you cannot even intelligently evaluate this situation and the intent



No I do not think it is wrong. Your beliefs have no bearing on my life, I could care less what a individual chooses to do in terms of taking something I hold dear and making a farce of it. We live in a free society, so long as he is using only words then have at it. I know I'm speaking to a wall here as you cannot even grasp this situation without bias.



Your prophet was a practicing pedophile.



Islam teaches respect and peace until someone goes against the Qur'an, then god help them. Do not confuse individual Muslims who've adopted modern day civility with Islam being a religion of peace and tolerance, they are two vastly differing concepts.
I thought i was done here.

Forget my beliefs, but then again you have no common sense, so nevermind.

I'm not being bias one bit. But in todays age and time, it's sad to see how thick headed people are. Common sense does not exist anymore.

My Prophet was a practicing pedophile? You utter these words when you dont know anything about Islam and it's teachings. Oh, the media has really fooled you. What make's you say the prophet is a pedophile?

You're so ignorant, it's funny.

So in Canada gay marriages are legal. Does Islam allow this, no. Do you see Muslims going out and uttering bad things about this, no. Why? Because we need to respect others. And it's clear and apparent that you have no respect regardless of ones beliefs.

Honestly based on your responses you know nothing about Islam and it's teachings. So shut your mouth and do your research to it's fullest before passing judgement.
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I'm not being bias one bit. But in todays age and time, it's sad to see how thick headed people are. Common sense does not exist anymore.
You're not bias, but it is wrong to show a caricature along with a pork product? I'm sure that is in no way a judgement based of your religious beliefs Do I really need to explain to you the meaning of the word bias?

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My Prophet was a practicing pedophile? You utter these words when you dont know anything about Islam and it's teachings. Oh, the media has really fooled you. What make's you say the prophet is a pedophile?

You're so ignorant, it's funny.

Honestly based on your responses you know nothing about Islam and it's teachings. So shut your mouth and do your research to it's fullest before passing judgement.
Shall we delve into a debate of the huge flaws of Islam and how from a fundamentalists standpoint it has no place in a civil society? I assure you, I am not ignorant on the matter. I can just as easily claim you to be ignorant when you refuse to accept your prophet as the pedophile he most certainly is.

Aisha was 9 years old when Muhammad had consummated his marriage with her, that's a pedophile. He should have been put to death for such actions yet he is revered, sickening.

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So in Canada gay marriages are legal. Does Islam allow this, no. Do you see Muslims going out and uttering bad things about this, no. Why? Because we need to respect others. And it's clear and apparent that you have no respect regardless of ones beliefs.
Gay marriage is wrong, sex with a child is ok. Swell logic and origin from which to draw morality.

You DO see Muslims taking the streets protesting things which they find offensive, do you remember the protests of 2012 for a filmmaker? Signs condemning his actions and individuals calling for him to be put to death, hung, for his head etc. I guarantee you that the individuals who were calling for that mans head are grateful that the individual in question in this thread is behind bars. The hypocrisy in that and the governments unjust behavior is pathetic.
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You're not bias, but it is wrong to show a caricature along with a pork product? I'm sure that is in no way a judgement based of your religious beliefs Do I really need to explain to you the meaning of the word bias?



Shall we delve into a debate of the huge flaws of Islam and how from a fundamentalists standpoint it has no place in a civil society? I assure you, I am not ignorant on the matter. I can just as easily claim you to be ignorant when you refuse to accept your prophet as the pedophile he most certainly is.

Aisha was 9 years old when Muhammad had consummated his marriage with her, that's a pedophile. He should have been put to death for such actions yet he is revered, sickening.



Gay marriage is wrong, sex with a child is ok. Swell logic and origin from which to draw morality.

You DO see Muslims taking the streets protesting things which they find offensive, do you remember the protests of 2012 for a filmmaker? Signs condemning his actions and individuals calling for him to be put to death, hung, for his head etc. I guarantee you that the individuals who were calling for that mans head are grateful that the individual in question in this thread is behind bars. The hypocrisy in that and the governments unjust behavior is pathetic.
Let me educate you. You don't know much let me tell you that. You only choose to believe as you see fit.

It is important to know that girls during the Biblical and Islamic days used to be married off at young ages when they either had their first periods etc... In other words, when they turn into “women”, then they get married off.

http://www.roman-emperors.org/aggiefran.htm

Here's a link to see how common were the child brides in the Byzantine Empire.This article clearly states;”Child brides, whether Byzantines or foreign princesses, were the norm rather than the exception, especially from the late twelfth century”.

Furthermore, the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him) did not marry Sayyidah Aisha out of his physical desires. One needs to note that for his first 54 years of his life he had only one wife. His only wife till 50th year of his life was Sayyida Khadija. He spent his entire youth with her and she was a two time widowed woman, 15 years elder to him.

So you might want to look up the meaning of pedophile before you use it. Like i said before, you dont know anything about Islam and you just proved it. So move on....
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