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Old 09-11-2013, 03:37 PM   #1
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Any recommended shop for e30 engine swap in GTA?

After long research, I decided that it would be the best to swap M42 to my 316i but given circumstances (space, tool, work, etc) it might be hard to do the swap by myself at the moment.

I've contacted forum sponsors and some other known shops but they don't want to do M40-M42 swap.

Is there any other reputable shops who can do the swap?
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Old 09-11-2013, 03:51 PM   #2
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Why not swap in something more modern with more kick like an S52? They're so cheap nowadays that it's a sin. I know someone selling one who is an E30 guy who would do the swap for you even!
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Old 09-11-2013, 04:50 PM   #3
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why not swap in something more modern with more kick like an s52?
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Old 09-12-2013, 12:26 AM   #4
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S52? I thought even M52 has necessarily too much power for daily driving!

It's my only car and I've been driving my e30 every single day - summer or winter, rain or snow, going to school, going to work, road trip, camping..

Having 135 hp + 30 mpg would be sweet and I don't want to spend more than $2.5k for the whole swap (seems like labour rate for 'same engine swap' is about $1k~1.5k plus the parts..or I can do it under $1k if I do it myself, and I can refresh suspension and brake with leftover) at this point.. well.
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Old 09-12-2013, 12:27 AM   #5
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I have seen alot of stuff coming from Bimmersport Automotive. No personal experience however.
http://www.bimmersport.ca/

I have talked with the owner of RMP. They seem pretty good but again no experience. I would give them a call:
http://www.rmpmotors.com/

I think your dreaming with that budget though. Do a e36 swap yourself and get some hands on experience. You will appreciate the end result more.

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Old 09-12-2013, 01:13 AM   #6
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I paid 600 in labour for a same engine swap on an e30 at AUtobahn East. Great work but takes ages. You should be able to get a M52 in there for $2.5k easy.
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Old 09-12-2013, 07:19 AM   #7
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If you don't want a 24v don't do it. I did, and I love it but if you want to keep it as simple as possible an m42 is your best bet. You can buy parts and just say it's a 1991 318is, you won't have to change your exhaust (short of the header and flange), very little wiring to mess with (if any at all), etc.

If you want a fast car, go 24v, if you want to keep your car plugging along and pep it up a bit then m42 is a fine choice.

Don't know why people won't want to do this job, especially shops that are familiar with BMWs and have done no stock e30 engine swaps.
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Old 09-12-2013, 07:38 AM   #8
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S52? I thought even M52 has necessarily too much power for daily driving!

It's my only car and I've been driving my e30 every single day - summer or winter, rain or snow, going to school, going to work, road trip, camping..

Having 135 hp + 30 mpg would be sweet and I don't want to spend more than $2.5k for the whole swap (seems like labour rate for 'same engine swap' is about $1k~1.5k plus the parts..or I can do it under $1k if I do it myself, and I can refresh suspension and brake with leftover) at this point.. well.
Nah, it's nothing extraordinary. It just makes for a good quick car when you mash the gas pedal, or a smooth quiet cruiser when you don't. I never drove mine on the street after the swap so I can't say for sure but I am confident that you could get 30mpg with the S52 if you didn't drive with a lead foot - which may be hard to resist but that's not much of an option with an M42. The same way a Z06 Corvette will return 30mpg on the highway - it's a light car with a big engine being worked very little.

As for the cost of the swap, you might be able to get it for not much more than that, the S52s are so cheap nowadays that it's a sin.
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Old 09-12-2013, 09:40 AM   #9
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I have seen alot of stuff coming from Bimmersport Automotive. No personal experience however.
http://www.bimmersport.ca/

I have talked with the owner of RMP. They seem pretty good but again no experience. I would give them a call:
http://www.rmpmotors.com/

I think your dreaming with that budget though. Do a e36 swap yourself and get some hands on experience. You will appreciate the end result more.
I contacted both of them; bimmersport said don't work on e30s anymore and RMP is so busy he said he doesn't have time to work on swap. I also called few other shops that are mentioned in the forum often - but they also said no. Whenever I say I have M40, they're all like woah woah, we're not familiar with euro engine. But from swapping perspective it's just an shitty version of M42 that uses different engine mount and header.

Anyways, when I did some calls to other shops, ~$1.5k labour for swapping the same engine seems like a ongoing rate. It's just they are busy during the fall and want to push engine swaps till winter.

M42 engine + engine mount, exhaust manifold + new m40 clutch and some maintenance items would cost me ~$1k.

As for M5x or S52 swap, my work got so busy right now(~10 hrs a day, 6 days a week + freelance ) and only one of my friends has actual space and tools to do the swap but he went dark when I asked for the help(I even offered free web design/development to him). Shops charge(at least where I called to find out) $3.5~$5k for M52 swap including everything..and S52 would be like, $1k more expensive? Either way, I'd be blowing all of budget that I set for suspension and brakes..

Well, if I can get a hold of my friend, He and I can probably swing M42 swap during the weekend or something.. meantime I'm gonna keep calling around for M42 swap.. or M52 if the price difference is small.

Sorry for the long rant but I really appreciate your comments guys .
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Is there any reason you're staying away from M20s? Those can be bought for cheap nowadays, and should be a fairly straight forward swap if youve got all the M20 parts. Also if you keep your eyes out for a complete M50 from an E34 that can be a pretty simple and fairly affordable 24V swap too. Your biggest challange with an M52/S52 would be wiring and figuring out if you're going to convert to obd1 which can get costly or just run obd2 stuff and tuning your obd2 DME.
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Old 09-12-2013, 10:49 AM   #11
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Do you already have the M42 and all the parts to go with the swap?
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Old 09-12-2013, 11:20 AM   #12
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The price difference between m4x and m5x isn't too much, as people have mentioned. What could make up more of a difference is just the parts you want to replace/refresh, odds and ends like new mounts, exhaust, cooling items, driveshaft, clutch, etc.... But you'll definitely get a bit more bang/buck ratio with an m5x. I would go with the m5x personally, as well its super documented and won't really have much more involved than your m4x swap.

The power from even an s52 swap isn't too much for a DD.
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Old 09-16-2013, 05:19 PM   #13
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You might as well keep the M10 in the car. If it's an early model 316 (which they typically are) you will still need to do the same amount of wiring for and M42 as if you were swapping in an M50. The M10 is Motronic 1.0 where the M42 is 1.3.

S52's aren't even that much power. It's the perfect amount for a DD. The M50 is pretty soft. Same as an M20 just quieter, smoother, more modern, and more reliable.

Don't even bother with an M42, it will still be slow.
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Old 09-16-2013, 08:07 PM   #14
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You might give PJC Autoworks on Danforth in the east end a call and ask for Peter... nice guy really knows the older bimmers and does race prep work so engine swaps should be no big deal for him.
No direct experience myself yet but he's spent time answering my questions about e30 maintenance issues. Planning to use him as my local go to guy. Labour rates [job quotes] seem reasonable but again have not discussed engine changes.

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Old 09-16-2013, 10:53 PM   #15
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Guys, Thanks for the info. BTW I have M40 not M10 (*late model) - which makes M42 is easiest swap candicate (no wiring work needed other than plug c101 into the exsisting plug).

Anyways, I really appreciate your suggestions. I'll look into those who you guys suggested
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