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Old 09-11-2013, 02:34 PM   #1
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Getting Ready to Track my E36 M3

im upgrading the suspension and brakes on my e36 M3 for a couple DE's coming up, I wanted to get your feedback on the following mods :

HR springs from Turner :
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-70...6-m3-1995.aspx

or these
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/c-11...coilovers.aspx

Hawk blue pads from Turner
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/c-33...rake-pads.aspx

Brake duct cooling kit from GruvenParts
http://gruvenparts.com/website/cart/...category_id=61


I also need street/track tires and a helmet.

Any help on suggestions for this stuff is appreciated!

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Old 09-11-2013, 03:57 PM   #2
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For suspension, call Ground Control and be done with it. They will work with you to get exactly what you need.

Don't worry about brake cooling at this point. That's something that should only be done out of necessity or you could actually be doing more bad than good.

For helmets I'm a huge fan of Bell, especially with their new rubberized black finish. But a lot of guys also run Stilo helmets. For Bell, this is a great deal and they're just North of the GTA.

http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=28292

EDIT: nmind, you're in CO...
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Old 09-11-2013, 04:01 PM   #3
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For pads, this is a good deal and the DTC is a modern pad vs the Blues

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...TC-70-for-sale
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Old 09-12-2013, 12:07 AM   #4
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Agreed. The H&R springs are garbage for track. Too low and not stiff enough = infinite rate. Run with stock, and save up for a proper coilover upgrade.

Also agree on the pads. Blues are ancient in terms of technology. The Hawk DTC are good, but Performance Friction 08 are fantastic.
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Old 09-12-2013, 10:26 AM   #5
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What's the best way to buy the ground control coilovers? I've been searching around and so far I only see them available directly from Ground Control, i.e.: http://www.ground-control-store.com/...hp/II=538/CA=4

Are there local vendors that sell and support them?
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Old 09-12-2013, 10:35 AM   #6
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That's the only way you should buy them. They are very intelligent and experienced suspension tuners and have many guys racing BMWs. They will spend time with you on the phone and email, to figure out what you want out of the car (daily drivability, car weight, power etc) and put together the right set of springs and shocks (which they can valve and dyno in-house)
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Old 09-12-2013, 12:02 PM   #7
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Fair enough, thanks!
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Old 09-12-2013, 05:32 PM   #8
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-TC Kline S/A coilovers or Ground Control (same thing basically) Go direct to them!

-PBR ceramic pads are cheap, last a long time and should be fine depending on how much braking you're doing. Unless you want to swap between track pads and street pads I would just run something that isn't going to eat your rotors and wallet like a track pad will.

-Get SS brake lines.

-Brake ducts should not be needed.

-Tires: Pilot Super Sports are great all around (I have these). You could also go with Dunlop Star Specs or Hankook RS3's if you want a step up but you may as well just run what you have until they are killed.

If you go to the track without doing any of the above you will still have just as much fun AND still have $3000 in your pocket.
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Old 09-12-2013, 08:38 PM   #9
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I would still at least upgrade the pads and change brake fluid (and go over the suspension to make sure it's all in good order). Beginners tend to brake earlier and for longer, and it sucks ending your school because you cooked the crappy street pads or the 10 year old brake fluid.
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Old 09-13-2013, 09:00 AM   #10
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thanks i will call ground control asap and get this moving. will i need to cut the strut towers? someone was mentioning i needed camber plates and all, dont really want to go that deep if I dont really need to. its just for DE's
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thanks i will call ground control asap and get this moving. will i need to cut the strut towers? someone was mentioning i needed camber plates and all, dont really want to go that deep if I dont really need to. its just for DE's
What Vin Diesel wannabe told you that? You need a safe car, that's it. Everything else is up to you and could easily make a negative impact. I'm assuming this is your first or one of your first DEs and in that case, performance mods can give you a car that can overwhelm you with it's ability. The stiffer, faster and harder braking a car is, the less forgiving it is and the more fine the information is that it communicates to you. For instance, crappy all season tires will wail and cry loooong before you fall off the traction mountain. While if you hear an R compound crying, you're probably already in trouble. Soft stock suspension will teach you about weight transfer - being able to feel the car pitch in different directions as you trace the traction circle. You will learn that you can't lean the car to the side as hard if its nose is pitched down, the nose will have to come up before you can lean it to the side as hard as possible etc. Remember, you're going there to learn, so bring the best tool for the job.

So no, you don't need camber plates or coil overs or anything else. Just make sure your basic maintenance is at the highest standard, your brake fluid is of a very high grade, such as http://www.torquebrakefluid.com/ and you have good pads, something like HP Plus at least (NOT HPS). You can go a little crazier with pads but the more track worthy a pad is, the more annoying it will be on the street. Again don't listen to Vin Diesels telling you that they won't work on the street, that you will have no brakes and crash killing women and puppies. They will still work a lot better than any street pad but the problem is racing pads are designed to work in incredible heat and as such, at street temperatures, they are much harder than a street pad. This makes them noisy as all hell and they will eat your rotors faster.
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^ i agree . Dnt get ahead of yourself.

And being this late in the season...id just give your stock car a rip or two the last few sessions left this yr and then re evaluate over winter.


Getting a feel for a stock set up is a good step into the game if you havent done so before . Get a slightly better pad, better fluid and make sure the rest of the car is in good running order. You dont need anything more
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Brakes, tires and maintenance should be your main concerns as a bigger.

Coilovers are a great next step. Check out BC racing, rates are customizable and they come with camber plates and shock mounts, which make them great for the price. A stiffer front sway helped with understeer.

I've tracked my e36 m3 and never felt it needed more brakes on Mosport GP & DDT. I just had stock rotors and Hawk HPS pads with fresh fluid. No need to go crazy until you go r-comps and start running quick times.

Pilot Super sports are great street tires, but they chunk on the track and don't handle heat well. Star Specs ZI and ZII, BFG Rivals or Hankook RS-3 are better choices.
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Old 09-23-2013, 10:06 AM   #14
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thanks for all advice guys, I will post up progress soon !
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What Vin Diesel wannabe told you that? You need a safe car, that's it. Everything else is up to you and could easily make a negative impact. I'm assuming this is your first or one of your first DEs and in that case, performance mods can give you a car that can overwhelm you with it's ability. The stiffer, faster and harder braking a car is, the less forgiving it is and the more fine the information is that it communicates to you. For instance, crappy all season tires will wail and cry loooong before you fall off the traction mountain. While if you hear an R compound crying, you're probably already in trouble. Soft stock suspension will teach you about weight transfer - being able to feel the car pitch in different directions as you trace the traction circle. You will learn that you can't lean the car to the side as hard if its nose is pitched down, the nose will have to come up before you can lean it to the side as hard as possible etc. Remember, you're going there to learn, so bring the best tool for the job.

So no, you don't need camber plates or coil overs or anything else. Just make sure your basic maintenance is at the highest standard, your brake fluid is of a very high grade, such as http://www.torquebrakefluid.com/ and you have good pads, something like HP Plus at least (NOT HPS). You can go a little crazier with pads but the more track worthy a pad is, the more annoying it will be on the street. Again don't listen to Vin Diesels telling you that they won't work on the street, that you will have no brakes and crash killing women and puppies. They will still work a lot better than any street pad but the problem is racing pads are designed to work in incredible heat and as such, at street temperatures, they are much harder than a street pad. This makes them noisy as all hell and they will eat your rotors faster.
Couldn't have said it any better...
Clean brake fluid and go with star specs or RS3!!!

after all you are going to learn.
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