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Old 07-09-2013, 01:11 PM   #16
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Rich, if you want to try classifying yourself, have a look at the class rules here.
http://sdrv.ms/186oDC4
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Old 07-09-2013, 09:52 PM   #17
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The class system is set up so that there can be class titles, and the PAX system is set up so that all cars can compete for an overall title, but again the only way you'll be competitive is if you build your car to the limits of your class. So if you wanted Richie you could run pretty much any size of tires and breaks that you want. With a square set of 245 r-comps tucked under some fender flares, some big ass brakes, and some better suspension your car would competative.

Do you have any examples of cars intentionally being PAX'ed lighter than they should be? Because if they were that'd be unfair to the rest of the competitors.

It's definitely not a perfect system by any means, but short of benchmarking every car (bracket racing essentially) it's the only fair way to do it.

And don't feel like you're the only one Richie, my car is classed as SM, it's PAX'ed heavier than your car currently is... and it still has a full interior .
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And i got you beat on PAX Gobbi, EP! I need to get a suspension as good as yours and some 265 A6s to be competitive now lol
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Old 07-10-2013, 08:11 AM   #18
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And i got you beat on PAX Gobbi, EP! I need to get a suspension as good as yours and some 265 A6s to be competitive now lol
I asked earlier what it was that put your car in EP, but I don't recall getting an answer. With an engine swap of the same manufacturer you'd typically be in SM like me.
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Old 07-19-2013, 02:15 PM   #19
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Weather forecast looks perfect for Sunday.
I should be there.
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Old 07-19-2013, 02:16 PM   #20
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Installed coilovers on sunday so I'll be moving to STX and trying to get them setup properly.
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Old 07-19-2013, 02:33 PM   #21
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0.826 vs 0.827.... No big deal

I hope they make you slower... lol
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Old 07-19-2013, 02:51 PM   #22
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Yup, no brainer as I wasn't using R-comps anyhow. lol.. I might be slower while getting used to them and figuring out how to set them up properly. I'm wondering if I should take of the M3 front sway bar I have on and put my stock one back now that I have more camber and stiffer springs up front.
Currently my ride height front/rear is 12", which I think is too low. I'll probably raise it to 13/12.5 front/rear before sunday.
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Old 07-20-2013, 10:47 PM   #23
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Anyone have 12 or 15mm spacers I could buy or borrow for tomorrow? Front tires are rubbing on the new coils.
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Old 07-23-2013, 05:40 PM   #24
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Here are the results. Congrats to Mike for posting the fastest raw and PAX'd times.


http://sdrv.ms/18y2DN3

If you have any concerns with typos, etc. let me know.
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Whaaaattttt you guys let a non-BMW win overall? Gosh, I guess I'll have to come to the next one and show you all how it's done lol
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I was bummed when I saw that I only fell a few hundredths short of fastest raw time

3rd overall is pretty sweet though, ever since my car moved into SM I haven't finished higher than like 6th or 7th lol.
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Whaaaattttt you guys let a non-BMW win overall? Gosh, I guess I'll have to come to the next one and show you all how it's done lol
Please come Rudy... You too Dan. People are starting to think I'm a good driver or something
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The whole PAX thing confuses the hell out of me. Can't figure how a 335, which is smaller and nimbler, with the same engine HP, has a lower PAX than my 535.
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The whole PAX thing confuses the hell out of me. Can't figure how a 335, which is smaller and nimbler, with the same engine HP, has a lower PAX than my 535.
It's because the SCCA hasn't taken the time to actually classify your car. All 5 series that aren't classified get dumped into F Stock, which is essentially a class meant for muscle cars. I agree, it's not a fair PAX, it seems as though if you had an e28 525e... with a beastly 127hp motor you'd end up in FS as well.
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The whole PAX thing confuses the hell out of me. Can't figure how a 335, which is smaller and nimbler, with the same engine HP, has a lower PAX than my 535.
It's certainly not perfect, but I think they class cars based on historic performance. There are certainly cars that have better classifications. 135/335's have twice the power/torque of my old 325 with about the same weight. Still, they're not the usual winners in the US nationals.
Corvette, S2000, Miata, Impreza/STI, MINI Cooper, Mustang GT, Celica, Civic Si, Mazda 2, CRX, E36's, RX8, Evo's are the typical front runners.

There's no E46 325's, or any 135/335/535 even competing at the US nationals. E46 325 because you should just run a E46 330 with 40 free HP, and 135/335/535 probably because they're still expensive so people aren't will to race/mod them for autoslalom.

For me it's more about having fun and getting better as a driver. If you really want to win, you could easily spends many thousands on high end coilovers, tires, exhaust, etc.
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