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View Poll Results: Do you think the Shafia family should be behind bars for life?
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Old 01-28-2012, 03:28 PM   #1
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Shafia Trial: Biggest load of BS in the world vs. POLL



I for one say they all deserve to be deported, first for lying to customs about the polygamous marriage , and secondly life behind bars at country of origin. What do you think?

http://winnipeg.ctv.ca/servlet/an/lo...b=WinnipegHome


The facts:

On June 29, 2009, the Shafias, an Afghanistan-born, Montreal-based family of 10 including two wives, wrapped up their summer vacation in Niagara Falls, where they had travelled the year before. After a trip mostly spent in Niagara -- Hamed and Shafia left for one day and came back -- the family packed it in that day.

They checked out of one of their hotel rooms in the morning, but didn't check out of the second one until about 6 p.m. They didn't head for home right away, instead leaving Niagara Falls at about 8:20 p.m.

In the family's Lexus SUV were Shafia, Hamed and the surviving Shafia children. In a 2004 black Nissan Sentra, purchased for $5,000 one day before they left on the trip, were Yahya and the four family members who would soon be dead. The Shafias' Pontiac minivan was left at home.

They drove toward Toronto, taking a little detour through the downtown and the girls took pictures of the CN Tower on their cellphones. As they travelled east from the city, they stopped at two different McDonalds, one being closed.

Yahya, Shafia and Hamed spelled each other off with driving, switching positions between the cars at a few points along the trip. But Yahya mostly drove the Nissan and Hamed mostly drove the Lexus.

At 1:36 a.m. Sahar's phone receives a text message that goes unanswered and cellphone signal mapping technology shows it is routed through the tower closest to the canal at Kingston Mills locks. The map shows that while the signal pings off this tower, the sector that the phone was in is not that of the locks, but that of the Kingston East Motel.

The Shafias first try to check in to the Lord Nelson motel, but it has no vacancy. They next try their luck at the Kingston East Motel, just down the road.

At roughly 1:53 a.m., at least some of the Shafia family arrives at that motel. Hamed and Shafia wake up motel manager Robert Miller through the call box and he checks them in around 2 a.m. They ask for two rooms, and when he asks how many people will be in each room, the question seems to cause some confusion, he says. The father and son speak to each another in a language Miller can't understand, and settle on six people total, three in each room.

About 15 minutes later, Miller sees Hamed and Shafia leaving the parking lot in an SUV. He stays awake until about 2:30 or 2:40 a.m. and doesn't see them or anyone else return.

People near the locks either in boats along the canal or in some of the few houses in the area hear the sound of a horn. Someone hears a splash. Someone sees two cars, one with no headlights on.

It's known that at some point Hamed went alone to Montreal in the Lexus. He says it was to conduct business and retrieve his laptop.

At 6:48 a.m., he receives a call from Shafia at the motel and cellphone mapping shows he is indeed in Montreal by that time.

Shafia makes a call from the motel to Sahar's cellphone at 7:01 a.m. and it goes straight to voicemail. He does not try to reach her again.

Shortly before 8 a.m. Hamed calls 911 in Montreal to report that he has had a collision with a barrier in a near-empty parking lot. An officer arrives to take the report and Hamed asks her if he can have his vehicle fixed immediately.

Hamed returns back to the motel at roughly 11:30 a.m. or 11:45 a.m., not in the Lexus, but in the family's minivan. He and his parents drop the other children off at Tim Hortons and go to the police station at 12:30 p.m. to report their four family members missing.

Meanwhile, around 9 a.m., lockmaster John Bruce discovers a car in the locks at Kingston Mills. He calls police and divers survey the underwater scene, finding that there are four female bodies in the car. The bodies are floating eerily over the seats, with Geeti and Zainab in the front and Rona and Sahar in the back.

They were not wearing seatbelts. Sahar was also not wearing shoes and Zainab had a sweater on backwards.

The Nissan Sentra is found with its wheels jerked to one side; the ignition, lights and wipers are off and it is in first gear. The seats are reclined all the way back, the driver's window is open and there are scrape marks on the undercarriage.

Police officers find pieces of plastic on the ground by the edge of the canal wall and on the grass nearby. The pieces of what would later be found to be bits of the Shafias' Lexus SUV headlights soon spark an investigation into the three now-accused family members.

What the defence says:

The end of the Shafias' trip to Niagara Falls was not a well-organized affair. The day they were attempting to check out and leave, various children were sleeping, eating or exploring, and the family could not get around to leaving until after 8 p.m.

Yahya starts getting sleepy and isn't feeling well, so they decide to stop for the night. At some point between making this decision on the highway and checking in to their motel in Kingston, the family stops somewhere again to switch drivers. Neither Yahya, Shafia nor the surviving son who all testified can nail down that location.

It was somewhere dark at the side of a road, they say.

They try the Lord Nelson motel and it is full, so Yahya tells Hamed and Shafia to go on and look for another motel and she will wait in the Nissan with the girls and Rona a little way down the road from the Lord Nelson. The passengers are sleeping, so Yahya reclines her seat and rests her eyes.

Hamed and Shafia get the rooms at the Kingston East Motel, drive a short distance down the road to where they left everyone else in the Nissan, no more than one kilometre away, and the whole family heads back to the motel. The girls and Rona are in one room, Shafia, Yahya and the other children are in the other room.

Zainab knocks on the door of her parents' room and asks to borrow the car keys so she can get some luggage out of the car. Shafia and Yahya say this is the last they see of her or the others. But Hamed tells a different story.

He says he saw them leave the parking lot in the Nissan, so he followed them, concerned for their safety because Zainab was an unlicensed and inexperienced driver. He suggests they were looking for a gas station to buy phone cards. They end up at Kingston Mills, where Hamed accidentally rear-ends the Nissan with the Lexus.

He gets out to pick up broken pieces of headlight and, as he is doing so, hears a splash. The Nissan has gone in the water.

Hamed rushes to the edge of the canal, dropping the pieces, and calls out their names. He runs to the Lexus to get a rope and honks the horn once for help. He dangles the rope in the water, but there are no signs of life. He waits for several minutes in shock, wondering what to do.

He was scared and thought he would get in trouble for not stopping Zainab from driving, so he decides not to call police and not to tell his parents.

He drives to Montreal to stage the collision in the parking lot to account for the damage. He doesn't initially tell police about this in an interview with them after making the missing persons report, but admits it when he is confronted with evidence later that day.

Meanwhile, Shafia wakes up early and discovers the Nissan and everyone from the other room is gone. He buys a phone card from the motel clerk and calls Hamed to ask if he has seen them.

Shafia makes a call from the motel to Sahar's cellphone at 7:01 a.m. and it goes straight to voicemail. He does not try to reach her again.

Back in Montreal already, Hamed stages a collision with the parking barrier to mask the damage sustained when he rear-ended the Nissan earlier, because he is afraid his father will find out and blame him for the girls' deaths. He doesn't tell his parents about the damage.

His father calls him again to say he still hasn't heard back from Sahar or anyone else, so Hamed drives back to Kingston. He returns in the minivan so his parents won't see the damaged Lexus. Shafia and Yahya wait for Hamed to get back to report the disappearances to the police because their English is not strong, and they don't want to wake up their other English-speaking children for fear of worrying them.

Hamed returns back to the motel and he and his parents drop the other children off at Tim Hortons and go to the police station at 12:30 p.m. to report their four family members missing. Hamed doesn't say a word. His lawyer says he is only guilty of being stupid.
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Old 01-28-2012, 03:31 PM   #2
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Also, if they do not get life with no chance of parol, I have completely lost faith in this country and I am 100% pushing with leaving here for good.
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Old 01-28-2012, 05:59 PM   #3
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We live in a nation that believes Innocent until proven guilty.

From everything I have read and heard I don't believe there was enough evidence to prove them 100% without a doubt guilty.

Do I personally believe they are guilty? Yes. But the evidence is just not there.

But what do I know.
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Old 01-28-2012, 06:39 PM   #4
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Reads like an Afghan melodrama. Bastard! People like him deserve to be hung and worse. Same applies for his accomplices. Classic case of I'm-keeping-my-honour killing - proof or no proof. ****ing medieval mindset. I wonder if he ever considers all the dishonour he's brought on his kind in this country; where he eats, sleeps and breaths...
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Old 01-28-2012, 07:27 PM   #5
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I haven't been following this too closely. I've read a few articles here and there.

The one that I remember reading was that the father and I believe son, had admitted guilt and said they did this honour killing becuase of their daughters indecencies.

Then I read an article in which they took back what they had said, that they never committed the crime, however the father still stuck by his beliefs and thought what had happened was a good thing.

Then I had read that the Father was in possession of pictures of one of the daughters that had died and the other wife that had also died. The pictures were "indecent" e.g. like "sexy" posses sort of thing.

Now, Im reading this article that says it was the son that had an accident with them and tried to cover it up.

Anyway, really confusing story....



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its clear what the defence is trying to do though. E.g. the girl driving was inexperienced. When she got rear ended its very probable that she lost control/got frightened and hit gas instead of the brake.

what doesn't make sense is that all 4 of them drowned. i dont understand how that is even possible.. didn't they do an autopsy to find out cause of death?
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Old 01-28-2012, 07:35 PM   #6
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theres plenty of evidence that a murder did take place, and there was plenty of motive on the surviving members of this family. let alone doweries that the scum bag who murdered his three daughters gets to avoid paying.

325isdan is right, there isnt enough evidence to know 100 percent they did it. But I highly doubt this jury is going to let these people get away with this.

my prediction

father life imprisonment no parole, son life imprisonment eligibility for parole after 25 years. wife 15 years.

see karma hulmolka (paul bernardo) out after 11 years.
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Old 01-28-2012, 08:14 PM   #7
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Horrible stuff.
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i think they would get a slap on the wrist in their country and congratulate them on maintaining the honour in their family
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i think they would get a slap on the wrist in their country and congratulate them on maintaining the honour in their family
You are right, I was mistaken, just realized that it is acceptable, my bad
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Seriously, someone voted that they think it was a accident? for shame.
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I haven't been following this too closely. I've read a few articles here and there.

The one that I remember reading was that the father and I believe son, had admitted guilt and said they did this honour killing becuase of their daughters indecencies.

Then I read an article in which they took back what they had said, that they never committed the crime, however the father still stuck by his beliefs and thought what had happened was a good thing.

Then I had read that the Father was in possession of pictures of one of the daughters that had died and the other wife that had also died. The pictures were "indecent" e.g. like "sexy" posses sort of thing.

Now, Im reading this article that says it was the son that had an accident with them and tried to cover it up.

Anyway, really confusing story....



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its clear what the defence is trying to do though. E.g. the girl driving was inexperienced. When she got rear ended its very probable that she lost control/got frightened and hit gas instead of the brake.

what doesn't make sense is that all 4 of them drowned. i dont understand how that is even possible.. didn't they do an autopsy to find out cause of death?
You're confusing it with another case where it was a Honor killing where the father and son strangled the daughter to death cause she didn't want to wear a hijab or conform to the "rules" the father was imposing. I don't know when that's going to trial but that was a "honor killing" bs story also.
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^^ No man I dont think so. Look at this thing of events on global news.


http://www.globalnews.ca/timeline+sh...727/story.html

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January 12, 2012 - 'It was all lies': Shafia mother testifies she lied to police after her arrest

A woman accused of killing her three daughters and her husband's other wife admitted in court today that she lied to police.

Tooba Yahya, 42, testified that she lied in her post-arrest interrogation, saying she was under pressure and "it was all lies."

Yahya told that officer that she was at the scene the night the four people died and heard the car splash into the water, but she said today that she made it up because she was under pressure.

She admitted under cross-examination that she is under pressure on the stand today, but says she's not lying now.


Read it on Global News: As the jury begins to deliberate, Global News takes a look at key events unveiled during the infamous Rideau Canal murder trial.

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January 17, 2012 - Honour important to Shafia, brother testifies at family murder

Honour is very important to a man accused of killing half of his family, allegedly in a so-called honour killing, but Mohammad Shafia is no murderer, his half-brother said Tuesday.

Dr. Mohammad Anwar Yaqubi, in one of several outbursts in which he vehemently asserted his sibling is innocent, suggested it's the police and prosecutors who should be in prison instead of Shafia and his co-accused wife and son. Wiretaps that the Crown says show Shafia's lingering anger over his daughters' dating habits, in which he calls them "whores," actually exonerate Shafia because he never explicitly says he committed murder, Yaqubi said.


Read it on Global News: As the jury begins to deliberate, Global News takes a look at key events unveiled during the infamous Rideau Canal murder trial.
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MY guess is the 4 women were also drugged ( sleeping pills or something of the like) then put into the car and pushed over. Nothing else really seems to make sense.
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MY guess is the 4 women were also drugged ( sleeping pills or something of the like) then put into the car and pushed over. Nothing else really seems to make sense.
ya but i think they woulda found it in the blood.
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ya but i think they woulda found it in the blood.
CO2 works well for this type of poisoning. Doesn't take alot
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