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Old 01-10-2012, 09:19 PM   #16
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Then don't do it at all.. It's a winter beater, who cares.
I care seeing as how my other car is slammed id like this one moderately lowered.
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Old 01-10-2012, 09:28 PM   #17
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I got a set of lowering springs for you. 200$ and they are yours! Beats being ghetto!
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Old 01-10-2012, 09:31 PM   #18
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Old 01-10-2012, 09:45 PM   #19
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Ive heard of people cutting the rears and having ties hold the spring in place, and when the car is on the ground the cars weight holds the spring in place
You see nothing wrong with this?

Also cut springs, stock dampers bouncy bouncy oh look your oil spilled all over the place.
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Old 01-11-2012, 12:21 AM   #20
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The safeist ghetto way I can think of... siince it seems like your gonna get your car low any way you can... And believe me this goes against my better judgement... Is to compress 2 coils closer together and weld some sheet metal in between... Atleast then you should have a stiff ride instead of hearing your wheels slaming into your fenders ... I haven't tried this!.. But atleast your rears won't fall out of place and for what its worth it might be marginally safer ... Aswell you might not blow your dampers every pothole
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Old 01-11-2012, 07:39 AM   #21
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The reasons against include:

The springs are too soft to keep the dampers off the bumpstops or the car from bouncing wildly if you hit anything if they are any shorter.

The rear springs will lose their mounting points that keep them in the car. Zip ties are not an acceptable alternative. They are called "barrel" springs and are tapered on the ends so they will not seat properly if cut.

That being said, I have removed a coil and a half on my early 318i before it went under the knife, but I think the weight difference between the 2.7 M20 and 1.8 M10 helped in my case as it kept the bouncing and bottoming out to a minimum. I'd say you could be ok removing one or two coils up front but the rears are a very bad idea.

That seems to be a pretty clean early model, there is in no way an overpopulation of those on the roads, unlike mk3's. It would be wise to not jerry rig it over the winter and you would likely be able to sell it at a profit to an enthusiast in the spring.
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Old 01-11-2012, 12:05 PM   #22
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Why cant you cut the rears?

Ive heard of people cutting the rears and having ties hold the spring in place, and when the car is on the ground the cars weight holds the spring in place
Why don't you walk under your car and look at the rear springs. They're not the same diameter at the top/bottom as they are in the middle. Where are you going to cut them?

Buy used springs, or don't do it at all. Just becuase you get the car cheap you wanna do everything cheap to it? I've got some worn out ball joints you can use if you'd like.
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Old 01-11-2012, 12:06 PM   #23
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The reasons against include:

The springs are too soft to keep the dampers off the bumpstops or the car from bouncing wildly if you hit anything if they are any shorter.

The rear springs will lose their mounting points that keep them in the car. Zip ties are not an acceptable alternative. They are called "barrel" springs and are tapered on the ends so they will not seat properly if cut.

That being said, I have removed a coil and a half on my early 318i before it went under the knife, but I think the weight difference between the 2.7 M20 and 1.8 M10 helped in my case as it kept the bouncing and bottoming out to a minimum. I'd say you could be ok removing one or two coils up front but the rears are a very bad idea.

That seems to be a pretty clean early model, there is in no way an overpopulation of those on the roads, unlike mk3's. It would be wise to not jerry rig it over the winter and you would likely be able to sell it at a profit to an enthusiast in the spring.
Yes that being said, my friend has some coilover sleeves, that he had from his old car. The spring isn't the same shape, but should fit into the seats on the car for the rears, as for the fronts I'm going to cut one or 2 coils off and that should be fine seeing as the coils wouldn't change other then the length, its not like they have a pigtail at the end, I was planning to drive it the sell it, but I might make it a slow project, do the M50 swap, a limited slip diff, and put real coils in it, but for now if I can make it a little lower then it is, and on the cheap, ill be happy, thanks for the input guys, and the "zip ties" are only there to hold the spring in place when you lift the car, I don't know about you, but I'm not catching air anytime soon, ahhaa

My mk3 may be over populated on the roads, but I still love it, it is the perfect car, the only complaint I have are the cup holders, but that's still not even a complaint, aha

Cheers to everyone who helped me out, and to my haters, see you at the meets! Aha
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Old 01-11-2012, 12:10 PM   #24
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Why don't you walk under your car and look at the rear springs. They're not the same diameter at the top/bottom as they are in the middle. Where are you going to cut them?

Buy used springs, or don't do it at all. Just becuase you get the car cheap you wanna do everything cheap to it? I've got some worn out ball joints you can use if you'd like.
Seeing as how I got the car cheap I do want to do cheap things to it, I've looked on forums and I'm not the only guy who wants to cut my E30 springs, I was just ASKING if anyone locally has done it or has ways around it, the car is suppose to last me the winter and seeing as in the GTA we are not getting any snow, I'd be more then happy to lower the car,
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Old 01-11-2012, 12:18 PM   #25
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Yes that being said, my friend has some coilover sleeves, that he had from his old car. The spring isn't the same shape, but should fit into the seats on the car for the rears, as for the fronts I'm going to cut one or 2 coils off and that should be fine seeing as the coils wouldn't change other then the length, its not like they have a pigtail at the end, I was planning to drive it the sell it, but I might make it a slow project, do the M50 swap, a limited slip diff, and put real coils in it, but for now if I can make it a little lower then it is, and on the cheap, ill be happy, thanks for the input guys, and the "zip ties" are only there to hold the spring in place when you lift the car, I don't know about you, but I'm not catching air anytime soon, ahhaa

My mk3 may be over populated on the roads, but I still love it, it is the perfect car, the only complaint I have are the cup holders, but that's still not even a complaint, aha

Cheers to everyone who helped me out, and to my haters, see you at the meets! Aha
If you were just gonna chop your springs regardless of what multiple people much smarter and more experienced than yourself had to say about it, then why are you even asking here? Did you expect people to say 'ya go ahead and make an unsafe car even sketchier!'?? Now you're gonna be driving around with chopped springs, blow struts, probably bald all seasons, non-functioning abs, and no air bag. Make sure your organ donor card is with you so you can contribute to society.
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Old 01-11-2012, 12:25 PM   #26
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These springs sit lower & are stiffer than H&R sport
They will also ad value to your car [beater or not]
Not to mention, your labor is about the same doing it 1/2ass or not
*[actual labor will be less, you will not have to cut your springs [who knows, you may even be able to get a few $$ for them]]
Make me an offer....I can't refuse

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Old 01-11-2012, 12:40 PM   #27
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Since when is lowering a car a cosmetic mod..?
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Old 01-11-2012, 12:48 PM   #28
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Seeing as how I got the car cheap I do want to do cheap things to it, I've looked on forums and I'm not the only guy who wants to cut my E30 springs, I was just ASKING if anyone locally has done it or has ways around it, the car is suppose to last me the winter and seeing as in the GTA we are not getting any snow, I'd be more then happy to lower the car,
Okay, so you're not allowed to say the word "coil over" any more. An e30 lowering spring set lowers your car, but because of the way the rear fender sits on late model e30's, the front fender aaaalways has more gap. So, in order to try to erase that gap, guys cut a coil or two out of the front spring, or use the top spring perch from an e90. This usually gives you a bit of front rake, but that is still a stiffer spring than stock, and it's still ghetto. I don't care if its a winter beater, it still needs to be safe for your sake, and all the people on the road around you. I too would be lowering the shit out that car if it was mine, but jesus, it's $200 for a set for chirst's sake. Can't go wrong with that. And please, change your shocks while you do it.
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Old 01-11-2012, 01:51 PM   #29
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If you were just gonna chop your springs regardless of what multiple people much smarter and more experienced than yourself had to say about it, then why are you even asking here? Did you expect people to say 'ya go ahead and make an unsafe car even sketchier!'?? Now you're gonna be driving around with chopped springs, blow struts, probably bald all seasons, non-functioning abs, and no air bag. Make sure your organ donor card is with you so you can contribute to society.
This.

Don't cut your ****in springs. That's just plain dumb and time consuming.
Instead
Take a torch to them till they're red hot and since they are weakened the weight of the car will lower it for you. Wait for them to cool down and away you go!
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Old 01-11-2012, 02:54 PM   #30
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Let me tell you a story.

One time a guy came to an e30 meet on cut springs.

He ended the meet in a ditch.
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