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Old 11-07-2011, 12:41 PM   #16
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If you said primer and then sealer primer that is different

One day I shall paint a car. lol
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Old 11-07-2011, 01:50 PM   #17
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If you said primer and then sealer primer that is different

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Old 11-07-2011, 02:35 PM   #18
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Personally, I do not understand this unfounded desire for people to drive new(er) beat up cars (3ers mainly), vs driving an old(er) car which is in great shape.

If I had a limited budget, I would go and find myself a CLEAN, well maintained e34/e32 and laugh, everyday, to the bank and point my finger at all those suckers driving their rusty e46.
I can tell you one thing, they are apples and oranges...An E46 is as far from an E32/E34 as it can get! Dont get me wrong, they were fantastic cars back in the day, but now they are way outdated...
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Old 11-11-2011, 04:34 AM   #19
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Thank you for the responses. Good information here, and I'm taking it all into consideration. I appreciate the time and effort in composing the replies.

For the past couple months, the car has not been driven everyday, and when it is driven, it has been short distances. I drove it on the highway for a bit yesterday, and the ticking is completely gone. Don't think it was critical, and it might even have been something rubbing against the wheel. It has been fantastic today.

My reasoning for wanting to work on the body is simple. The car is in incredible shape mechanically, and the modifications the previous owner made (the suspension being a big one) make it unique and in line with my preferences. I drove about a dozen E46s before this, and while most had better bodywork, none had the driving characteristics and seemed to be in as good running order as this one. Eventually, I may want to keep it as a track car. We shall see. Point is, I think keeping it around is of more intrinsic value than selling it. That's a personal choice.

Rust is a never ending battle. I realize this, and I'll either swap panels or repair as needed. Or do nothing, since I don't need the best looking E46 on the road. Getting from A to B in this car puts a smile on my face, and the becoming project will make it even better when I repair these things as I deem necessary. Not everything works, but isn't that one of the trade-offs to buying one of these rather than a Honda Civic?
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+1.

A lot of people don't seem to understand that the paint is what actually seals up the metal. It makes me laugh when I see people with primered up parts on their cars. Might as well leave it bare, especially when winter comes around. It won't look much different in the spring!
Have you sprayed before? I'm sorry but paint is relatively thin and has no build compared to primer. Most primers are built to have kind of sealer in them and many have a very very slight rubber base. Paint by itself is an awful sealer. It's the primer and the clear which do all the work. Correct me if I'm wrong - but I've been spraying for the past 6 months and never ever ever have I seen a single person refer to paint as the sealer.
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Have you sprayed before? I'm sorry but paint is relatively thin and has no build compared to primer. Most primers are built to have kind of sealer in them and many have a very very slight rubber base. Paint by itself is an awful sealer. It's the primer and the clear which do all the work. Correct me if I'm wrong - but I've been spraying for the past 6 months and never ever ever have I seen a single person refer to paint as the sealer.
I've always been taught that paint is a better sealer than primer... obviously there are exceptions to say like epoxy primers and stuff. My 2002 has lived outside every since I got it, and for years it sat outside. Places that just had primer weathered through in a few months, whereas places I gobbed on paint for the heck of it stayed relatively clean. That was enough to convince me that paint seals better than generic spray on primer. Now will be the real test that the whole car is painted with a somewhat even coat of paint... we'll see if anything pops back up in the next year and a bit.
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I've always been taught that paint is a better sealer than primer... obviously there are exceptions to say like epoxy primers and stuff. My 2002 has lived outside every since I got it, and for years it sat outside. Places that just had primer weathered through in a few months, whereas places I gobbed on paint for the heck of it stayed relatively clean. That was enough to convince me that paint seals better than generic spray on primer. Now will be the real test that the whole car is painted with a somewhat even coat of paint... we'll see if anything pops back up in the next year and a bit.
A professional job never involves "gobbing" on any sort of material. Unless you used a severe amount of paint (in which, you should also try using a severe amount of primer), you should not say that paint seals better. In proper application, paint is much less thick than primer or clear and is mainly for pigment. Clear and primer handle build + sealing much better.
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Primer alone will not keep rust away, end of story...
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I can tell you one thing, they are apples and oranges...An E46 is as far from an E32/E34 as it can get! Dont get me wrong, they were fantastic cars back in the day, but now they are way outdated...
I am not saying they are not outdated. That isn't the discussion.

Would you rather drive a junky, beat to crap e46, because it doesn't look outdated (but is falling apart, rusty, etc), over say a clean, e36/e34/e32 for the same $? So one can say " I drive a 2002, vs a 92?".

That is ludacris to me.
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I am not saying they are not outdated. That isn't the discussion.

Would you rather drive a junky, beat to crap e46, because it doesn't look outdated (but is falling apart, rusty, etc), over say a clean, e36/e34/e32 for the same $? So one can say " I drive a 2002, vs a 92?".

That is ludacris to me.
If i HAD to, i would drive the better condition E32/E34, from point A to point B, but i wouldnt enjoy it! As i get older, i start to pay more attention to the interior of the car, and the way it drives, more then how fast it is or what others think of it. I like my navi and traction control on a DD, along every other option modern cars have to offer!
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A professional job never involves "gobbing" on any sort of material. Unless you used a severe amount of paint (in which, you should also try using a severe amount of primer), you should not say that paint seals better. In proper application, paint is much less thick than primer or clear and is mainly for pigment. Clear and primer handle build + sealing much better.
Refrain from washing or driving your vehicle during periods of wet weather while your vehicle is displaying only a primer finish, this is because some types of primer can actually absorb water.

http://www.learnautopainting.com/undercoats.htm

It would appear that 'primer' is porous where as epoxy primer is not. At any rate I would rather go the whole 9 (primer, base, clear) even in rattle can forum instead of just leaving primer over the winter.
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Refrain from washing or driving your vehicle during periods of wet weather while your vehicle is displaying only a primer finish, this is because some types of primer can actually absorb water.

http://www.learnautopainting.com/undercoats.htm

It would appear that 'primer' is porous where as epoxy primer is not. At any rate I would rather go the whole 9 (primer, base, clear) even in rattle can forum instead of just leaving primer over the winter.
Of course! But primer is not too bad if you need to try to last through a winter. You might have a little rust to deal with once the winter clears up but that's really not a huge job if it's just from one winter and you did some adequate anti rust + primer'ing.
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