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Old 08-30-2011, 11:24 AM   #31
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I see where your coming from.

In all honesty I could care less if my touring were to move. I'm just as content picking away at it here and there especially for the money I'm asking. But like you with a little one, work, school, time is scarce. I'd also really like to spend my limited time building the 76 & 79 mini sitting in my garage.

I'm sure something will pop up sooner or later.
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Old 08-30-2011, 06:41 PM   #32
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Cool

I guess it's my turn to post, "killer clean euro IX'....I guess price would start around
6K....."no rust euro import 200k , well maintained"....yup it's "automatic" [that can be changed].....I currently own "all the bells &whistles"..Ei:...Mtech II "gitch"...custom interiors...."staggered wheels"...BBS asst wheels....."got lots of stuff to put together "DREAM CAR"
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Old 08-30-2011, 06:44 PM   #33
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I see where your coming from.

In all honesty I could care less if my touring were to move. I'm just as content picking away at it here and there especially for the money I'm asking. But like you with a little one, work, school, time is scarce. I'd also really like to spend my limited time building the 76 & 79 mini sitting in my garage.

I'm sure something will pop up sooner or later.
By the way......"the "LOST" deal....is......certainly a gr8t value...from a gr8t guy to
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Old 08-30-2011, 07:44 PM   #34
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By the way......"the "LOST" deal....is......certainly a gr8t value...from a gr8t guy to
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Thanks 411, also great to deal with and very knowledgeable when it comes to all things e30. Haven't seen pics of your ix before, and looks great!! slap on the m-tech II!!
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Old 08-30-2011, 08:58 PM   #35
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Prefer the M20? (serious question: I know it's OT, but I'm curious) You're basically saying you'd pay 4k MORE for an M20 car?
I'm currently getting ready to build a 3.0 M50, and I'm curious about what you don't like about the engine.
If I could get 6-8k for my (perfectly rust free, top to bottom) sedan with an M20 (like you suggested), I'd jump at the chance.
I think what he may be saying is that all that work to put a motor in that has almost the same power and performance is a waste, m52 or better would be worth is though.
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Old 08-30-2011, 09:30 PM   #36
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Dave is that you over there? or is that Dave's old car?

Nope, I'm the new owner and this is my third euro e30. Car never really went up for sale...just changed hands between friends for a reasonable price.
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:14 PM   #37
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Prefer the M20? (serious question: I know it's OT, but I'm curious) You're basically saying you'd pay 4k MORE for an M20 car?
I'm currently getting ready to build a 3.0 M50, and I'm curious about what you don't like about the engine.
If I could get 6-8k for my (perfectly rust free, top to bottom) sedan with an M20 (like you suggested), I'd jump at the chance.
My comments were not directed to the engine but rather than swapping out an OEM engine, with a newer generation engine. The questions start to arise, like why? Did the engine blow? Why did it blow was it not maintained? Hence was the rest of the car, was it abused? Who did the transplant? Was it a licensed mechanic at a reputable shop? Where did the engine come from? Was it rebuilt? What was the mileage on the engine put in? Can you verify it? How do I know the document is legit and not tampered with? Was the engine put in by you and your buddies? Are any of you qualified? How did you deal with the wiring? Are any of you professionally trained? Or how many times have your mechanic done this swap? Are they trained? Why the M50 which barely makes any more power than an M20? and not an S50 or S52? Doing it because of cost? Why? You can't afford a better engine? So you can't afford to treat your car properly either then? and so on and so on? Not to mention the M50 is a big fail motor in the E30, not one has been able to beat my stock M20 in a drag race stock for stock. So why bother?
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:26 PM   #38
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Well said. :-)
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:38 PM   #39
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lol. Ok then.
Of course, if it had an M20, there would be no history supporting that it was original, or well taken care of, or whether it had accurate mileage or or or. Shrug. Each to his own. I've seen enough "licensed mechanics" who are hacks, and back yard hobbiest's who's work is flawless...so I won't comment on those points...or the M50 vs. M20 pissing contest for that matter, there's plenty of fodder elsewhere on the internet.

I will say, the M50 starts to shine with mods - the head just flows better. Stock for stock, sure.
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:43 PM   #40
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It's an easy check serial number of engine to match with serial number of car. And you're right about hack jobs, but the point is when a car is not original it loses it's value.

About the M50 M20 pissing contest, you will LOSE. What's the point of all of that work for equal results? Yeah yeah I know it makes 189 hp to the 168 hp of the M20 and that the torque values are equal, I also know that the M50 weighs slightly more and it's more about the power curve. Not to mention, you cannot really feel 20hp gain a good launch in an M20 can make a bigger difference. If you're spending the time and money, it's just a waste and fail.
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:45 PM   #41
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Who said anything about a stock M50?
How many M20's are making 220+ whp?
Some cars certainly lose value when modified, but some don't. 2002's come to mind, and the E30 is in the same boat IMHO: a well-modified and executed car will be worth more than a bog-stocker. These aren't hemi cuda's. The market could change in the future, but the current 2002 market doesn't support that theory and I have little reason to believe that it will prove to be true for the E30 (swapped and well modified cars generally hold their values very well). Of course, I suppose I could've kept the auto to make it "numbers matching"
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Old 08-31-2011, 12:03 PM   #42
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i found my 1990 325i 5spd e30 sitting at the bottom of some old man's driveway with a for sale sign this year and my eyes started to glow because ive loved e30s since my childhood, its deff one of the cleaner e30's i've seen around, its a 90 that he bought in 94, making me the 3rd real owner, maintained religiously as he worked at a car dealership, even the A/C works, and i kid you not, the very first day i brought it out for its first wash, i already had an e46 guy asking me "hey buddy, you looking to sell that", and ever since then i been getting that ALOT everywhere i go.. never really knew how big the demand was for that car until i bought mine..
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Old 08-31-2011, 12:09 PM   #43
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Stock is always worth more then modified. BECAUSE as John stated. You don't know anything about the car. The more stock it is the less shit you have to find out. Know what to look for and ask for proof. the less proof. the better bargaining chip you have. when you find it you'll know. Personally, "modded" cars are NOT tastefully done and most I've seen are hack jobs and corners cut and wiring all over the place. that doesn't warrant a premium because the guy who owns it feels he invested a certain amount of money.

Dollar for dollar, factory original and well maintained is always worth more. Because you have a solid clean base to start with.

with that being said; a sucker is born......and a toilet seat for every ass in this world...BUYER BE WARE!
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latest addition 1 88-325is red - parts
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Old 09-01-2011, 04:54 PM   #44
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Car looks great on those wheels, 411.
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Old 09-01-2011, 05:18 PM   #45
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No it's not.

Sure some may sell for more, but that's because you spent more. You're losing more money.

And quite frankly a professionally restored car would beat them both out (unless you strapped a jet engine to your well-modded and executed car).

For resale value, you can work on the car, but you have to restore it with OE parts and document it (case and point.. E30 M3's). Otherwise you're losing money with every part you put on it and every day you're not driving it into the ground.
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