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Old 04-16-2011, 12:35 AM   #1
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LL04 motor oil - suppose to use or not?



I saw this in from the TIS. Anyone confirm? I just got my oil changed recently and noticed LL04 was used.

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Old 04-16-2011, 12:48 AM   #2
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another BMW bulletin....and mine is gas. EEK!
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Old 04-16-2011, 09:36 AM   #3
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Nope, you should not use LL04 oil in any non diesel application out of Europe.
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Old 04-16-2011, 09:37 AM   #4
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DO NOT USE LL04!!!!!!!!

BMW has service bulliteins out that because of the lower grade gas we have in north america, that LL04 should not be used in gas engines
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Old 04-17-2011, 01:31 AM   #5
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Strange. Lots of BMW specialist shops use Fuchs Titan GT1 Synthetic and its LL-04 oil.

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Old 04-17-2011, 09:51 AM   #6
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if you like your cats, don't use it, if you have no cats, use it.
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Old 04-18-2011, 12:55 PM   #7
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We never, ever use LL-04 for this reason. Most shops do, but those in the know don't. Be careful.
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Old 04-18-2011, 01:54 PM   #8
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Well, my understanding is that LL-04 has issues with high ethanol content gas and causes premature low TBNs leading to engine wear.

Shell V-Power is supposed to have 0 ethanol..

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Old 04-18-2011, 06:04 PM   #9
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Nope, you should not use LL04 oil in any non diesel application out of Europe.
I swear I read somewhere that you use it on your customers cars...

I dunno, just mixed info here and I am bit confused.

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I swear I read somewhere that you use it on your customers cars...

I dunno, just mixed info here and I am bit confused.

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Yes you are correct, we used it for a couple of months in 2009 BEFORE anyone knew that it was bad in Canada + USA. Then I noticed, excessive oil burning and stoped!

We now use only LL98 and LL01 oils and Royal Purple
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Old 04-18-2011, 11:17 PM   #11
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what's the impact to using LL-04? does it have any permanent damage to the engine etc?
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Old 04-19-2011, 01:07 AM   #12
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what's the impact to using LL-04? does it have any permanent damage to the engine etc?
Why are you not going back to the shop and asking for them to put the proper oil in your car, the service bulletin has been distributed from BMW to all shops and oil companies/wholesalers and there is no way any shop should be using it.
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Old 04-19-2011, 01:13 AM   #13
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I swear I read somewhere that you use it on your customers cars...

I dunno, just mixed info here and I am bit confused.

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That post was from 2009, before the service bulletin from BMW came out. Rocco and his shop are on the ball with updates and I have never heard them not being up to date on what's going on in the industry.
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Old 04-19-2011, 09:50 AM   #14
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That post was from 2009, before the service bulletin from BMW came out. Rocco and his shop are on the ball with updates and I have never heard them not being up to date on what's going on in the industry.
Oh that's good to know. Although just FYI (since its an FYI thread) the bulletin was out in 09/05 (as per the OP's screen pic)...unless I'm missing something. How much oil was burned over what duration out of curiosity?
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Old 04-19-2011, 08:27 PM   #15
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I have contacted the shop. I'm very disappointed to say the least. How can one mess up an oil change. Well apparently you can by putting in the wrong oil. And the pathetic part is the customer (me) pointed this out!

I'm not the BMW expert here, yet it appears I am now compared to this shop. And it's not like this is new info., its from last decade!

EDIT : I have no idea how oil is purchased for a mechanics shop - hopefully no one else gets the non-approved oil for their vehicle unless it's diesel. I only found out since it was on the invoice. Of course if it wasn't I would have no way of knowing. Not like I read the label off the vats or bottles. So could future invoices not have these level of detail listed? Sending the car in for service is all about trust.

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Why are you not going back to the shop and asking for them to put the proper oil in your car, the service bulletin has been distributed from BMW to all shops and oil companies/wholesalers and there is no way any shop should be using it.
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