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Old 03-06-2011, 04:14 PM   #1
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Camber Plates vs. Bigger Sway bar to reduce understeer?

Trying to dial some understeer on my car this season.

What would be the best way to do so?

Camber plates vs. Bigger Front sway bar:

There seems to be some debate on if a bigger front sway bar will achieve this:
UUC seems to say a bigger rear bar increases oversteer, but thats not what i've been hearing:
http://www.uucmotorwerks.com/html_pr...escription.htm

Any input?
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Old 03-06-2011, 04:18 PM   #2
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Well in my experience, which is very typical for an e36:

I started with a front and rear swaybar from UUC. Understeer was gone, but the car oversteered way too much.

Then I heard that most Club racers remove the rear bar completely (they have stiff enough rear springs they don't need a sway)

Anyway, I went back to a stock rear sway and the oversteer was gone. The car is nice and neutral now with a hint of oversteer at corner exit.

Before the damn thing would go sideways at corner entry!


As for the camber plates, a little extra camber up front helps a lot too. I'd start with a front sway bar since it's the cheapest mod. If you don't like it, get some camber plates I suppose.
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Ok fair enough, ill post a LF thread to try and find one used.
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I'm pretty sure UUC will sell you their front bar separately. ~$150

I bet Arek from 8legs will chirp in on this topic soon enough and clear everything up.
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Hmm it is pretty cheap new.

~$200 shipped.
I wonder how much UPS will charge in Duties and Taxes.
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Old 03-06-2011, 04:55 PM   #6
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Hmm it is pretty cheap new.

~$200 shipped.
I wonder how much UPS will charge in Duties and Taxes.
probably $200
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Old 03-07-2011, 10:15 AM   #7
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Trying to dial some understeer on my car this season.

What would be the best way to do so?
Another thing to try is your tire pressure. For street tires, try adding some pressure to your fronts to increase grip.
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If you can find some friends in BUffalo or Lewiston or Niagara falls, Just get it shipped there, and bring it back yourself, 80% time you pay NO duties or taxes or brokrage fees or customs fees.

Thats what I do for the Track car!
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If you can find some friends in BUffalo or Lewiston or Niagara falls, Just get it shipped there, and bring it back yourself, 80% time you pay NO duties or taxes or brokrage fees or customs fees.

Thats what I do for the Track car!
It doesn't seem worth it at todays gas prices. It will probably cost $70+ for gas alone. Not to mention the time and hassle.

I travel to the US often, but a sway bar is pretty bulky, not something I wanna fit in my luggage. Most parts I have shipped to my hotel, and bring it back in my luggage.

Buy I agree if the parts were worth more or the savings were greater I'd find another way.
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Start cheap and by fixing what's wrong instead of band-aiding it with more mods.

Your car needs stiffer rear springs. Figure out the diameter and pick up some used 500-600lb ones. Plus, you'll need this for the aggressive wheel setups you've been looking at.
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Get the vendor to ship USPS, no brokerage fees, and for the most part you will only pay HST. I have yet to pay duty on anything I have bought outside of Canada through the mail.

Worst case add 6% duty
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^ yep I got vorshlag to ship my camber plates through usps and didn't pay any surprise fees! the only problem is places like turner and bimmerworld don't want to ship with usps
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Old 03-09-2011, 08:10 PM   #13
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Start cheap and by fixing what's wrong instead of band-aiding it with more mods.

Your car needs stiffer rear springs. Figure out the diameter and pick up some used 500-600lb ones. Plus, you'll need this for the aggressive wheel setups you've been looking at.
You raise a good point.....

Will be giving you a call to discuss options.
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CBIUSA.com , check it out, they are in NIagara falls NY, border is easy to cross they are right there and its cheap too. most times the customs wont charge you a dime when crossing back, go for dinner and "shopping"
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CBIUSA.com , check it out, they are in NIagara falls NY, border is easy to cross they are right there and its cheap too. most times the customs wont charge you a dime when crossing back, go for dinner and "shopping"
Thank you i heard you the first time, my gas/time is not free.
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