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Old 03-05-2011, 10:46 PM   #1
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I am sick of fuel prices so i am getting this...



http://tezpower.com/hybrid_products_made_in_iceland
This is a friend of mine and we tested this on the pictured Corvette (the owner of which is the guy doing the bodywork on my M3).
It defo works and if it can save me 20 not 30% fuel i will be happy!!!!!!!!
What do you guys think?
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Old 03-06-2011, 01:19 AM   #2
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sounds like a good scam
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Old 03-06-2011, 03:47 AM   #3
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bmw 335D !!!! A very nice mix of power and fuel economy !
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Old 03-06-2011, 11:15 AM   #4
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i was just trolllollllling, but what exactly does this do anyway
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Old 03-06-2011, 02:09 PM   #5
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sounds like a good scam
Scam?
i told you that i know the guy and the guy working on my car has been running this for over a year on his Vette! How is this a scam?
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i was just trolllollllling, but what exactly does this do anyway
It utilizes water as a catalyst(braking it down to water and Hydrogen) and gives more power and cleaner emissions through a more optimized combustion. Basically it helps the engine burn fuel more efficiently.
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Old 03-06-2011, 02:40 PM   #7
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lol scam
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Old 03-06-2011, 06:42 PM   #8
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How expensive is it and how complicated is the system required to run this?
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Old 03-06-2011, 06:50 PM   #9
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It utilizes water as a catalyst(braking it down to water and Hydrogen) and gives more power and cleaner emissions through a more optimized combustion. Basically it helps the engine burn fuel more efficiently.
Separating water into hydrogen and oxygen takes more energy than you will ever get back.
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Old 03-07-2011, 10:33 AM   #10
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It utilizes water as a catalyst(braking it down to water and Hydrogen) and gives more power and cleaner emissions through a more optimized combustion. Basically it helps the engine burn fuel more efficiently.
Oh god...

No it doesn't...
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Old 03-07-2011, 11:14 AM   #11
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The original experimentation for this was done in the 70's by NASA if you read the tech document posted on the website. I skimmed it very briefly, but essentially what they were doing was using steam reformation of methanol (using thermal energy from the exhaust and a catalyst) to produce hydrogen gas. According to the report hydrogen gas has a low lean flammability limit and a high flame speed. Using hydrogen as a supplement to gasoline can extend lean engine operation.

So essentially the premise behind this system is to run your engine super lean and hydrogen gas allows you to do that without getting lean misfire. Alternators generate excess electricity (dissipated as heat by the voltage regulator) which can be used to separate water into hydrogen and oxygen by electrolysis. If that's what this system does, it's plausible that this system might actually work.
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Old 03-07-2011, 11:39 AM   #12
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it's plausible that this system might actually work.
no it's not...

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Old 03-07-2011, 12:11 PM   #13
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If you want to prove to me that it's not at least post an article with some data and references, not just a bunch of hearsay. I haven't read enough yet to be able to say that it isn't plausible, however recovering waste energy is one of the first ways to improve efficiency so assuming that this system does that at first glance it doesn't seem like to far fetched of an idea.
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If you want to prove to me that it's not at least post an article with some data and references, not just a bunch of hearsay. I haven't read enough yet to be able to say that it isn't plausible, however recovering waste energy is one of the first ways to improve efficiency so assuming that this system does that at first glance it doesn't seem like to far fetched of an idea.
What waste energy? The Alternator doesn't make waste energy. The VR is there to do exactly that, regulate voltage. When there is no/little demand output is reduced.

To add something like this will increase the demand on the electrical system, that isn't free.

The only thing on a ICE that is waste energy would be the exhaust gases and the head produced by the engine.
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If you want to prove to me that it's not at least post an article with some data and references, not just a bunch of hearsay. I haven't read enough yet to be able to say that it isn't plausible, however recovering waste energy is one of the first ways to improve efficiency so assuming that this system does that at first glance it doesn't seem like to far fetched of an idea.
It's very basic stuff even for highschool physics. Energy transformation always comes at a loss. Otherwise the perpetual motion machine would be possible. And an alternator is one of the worst examples of this, requiring about two units of power to produce one. The voltage regulator isn't for dissipating excess power as heat, but changing the current through the alternator to keep the output voltage at a desired level.

On the other hand, you know what, you're right. Some dumpy company in Iceland has the solution to fuel economy, and all those retards at Toyota, Honda, Tesla etc are just too dense to look into something that's been done in the 70s by NASA and perfected by Viking Power. There's also the other remote possibility - that it's a way to scam money from people easily impressed by fancy sounding theory and big name drops like NASA.
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