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Old 02-16-2011, 02:39 PM   #1
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BMW fail

http://wot.motortrend.com/2012-bmw-m...witter+Traffic


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Since spy shots first appeared last summer of the F10 BMW M5, it has been clear it will be the first M car available only with a fully automatic transmission, with manumatic controls of course. The spy shots were of the “planned leak” variety, allowing spy photographers to peek inside the next M5’s cabin. The transmission mated to the twin-turbo, gas direct-injection 4.4-liter V-8 will be a ZF eight-speed automatic, with no manual or twin-clutch transmission offered.
The X5 M and X6 M come with automatics, of course, but we’re counting them as crossover/utility vehicles.
Word is that BMW tried to adapt the Getrag M Dual Clutch Transmission (M DCT) for the F10 M5. M is tipped to have tuned the car’s twin-turbo V-8 to more than 550 horsepower. Although the torque number remains unknown, it’s obviously too high for the M DCT. BMW M discovered that the transmission would have to be beefed up with bigger actuators, which would slow down the transmission’s response time. The only way it could have worked was with an extensive redo of the M DCT. So BMW’s M division chose to go with the eight-speed manumatic only.
One competitor still offers both fully manual and fully automatic transmissions, the Cadillac CTS-v, while the Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG and its predecessors have long been manumatic-only.


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Old 02-16-2011, 02:44 PM   #2
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only auto, that sucks, but i guess they're trying to compete with Benz
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Old 02-16-2011, 02:50 PM   #3
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That sucks, i thought'd they atleast offer the DCT.

The first year e60 m5 was only offered with SMG III, but after all the complaints they had to put the 6spd manual back in the 2nd year of the e60 m5 release.
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Old 02-16-2011, 03:19 PM   #4
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The first year e60 m5 was only offered with SMG III, but after all the complaints they had to put the 6spd manual back in the 2nd year of the e60 m5 release.

For North American market only, which is pretty ironic.

P.S. I doubt the next M5 will be auto only.
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Old 02-16-2011, 03:32 PM   #5
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it will be because bmw clientel dont give a hoot about driving dynamics etc.

and no that doesnt refer to this forum. It refers to the majority of folks out there who make up the bmw demographic.
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Old 02-16-2011, 03:32 PM   #6
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Maybe they figure that "enthusiast" types are more likely to choose an M3/1M, whereas the M5 has turned into the top-of-the-line "executive" sedan.
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Old 02-16-2011, 03:52 PM   #7
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Maybe they figure that "enthusiast" types are more likely to choose an M3/1M, whereas the M5 has turned into the top-of-the-line "executive" sedan.
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Old 02-16-2011, 04:00 PM   #8
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it will be because bmw clientel dont give a hoot about driving dynamics etc.

and no that doesnt refer to this forum. It refers to the majority of folks out there who make up the bmw demographic.
Which is true, but then BMW will have one less competitive advantage over other manufactures. The M5 having a manual transmission i'd imagine would have been a key factor to everyone who bought a manual transmission m5 in the past.
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Old 02-16-2011, 04:16 PM   #9
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I don't think BMW gives a crap about "enthusiast" types. They care about selling cars, in volume. Enthusiasts make up a tiny percentage of their client base. We just feel bigger because we have these forums. Like it or not, the M5 is generally an older man's car. If that demographic doesn't want a manual (and most of them don't), they'd be fine with this.
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Old 02-16-2011, 04:49 PM   #10
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it will be because bmw clientel dont give a hoot about driving dynamics etc.

and no that doesnt refer to this forum. It refers to the majority of folks out there who make up the bmw demographic.
Well, if they don't why did they offer 6 speed for M5?

Also the article doesn't make sense. They claim BMW switching to automatic, because a beefed up DCT wouldn't be as responsive. I'm not an engineer, but I doubt an automatic would be more responsive.
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