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Old 12-15-2010, 10:47 AM   #1
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Say Good Bye to Our Unions



Keep saying how unions suck and how they fail and just syphon cash, and maybe stories like this will become a true reality.



http://www.thestar.com/news/article/...urhoods-report

Income divide deepens among Toronto neighbourhoods: report

Toronto is headed toward a scenario where nearly two thirds of residents will be in the low income bracket by 2025, according to a study set to be released Wednesday.

The latest update of the Three Cities within Toronto study from 2007 continues to paint a “devastating picture” of income “segregation” by neighbourhoods, according to one source who has seen the report.

Prior to this latest update, one released last year that was based on the latest census data showed that 15 of the city’s middle income neighbourhoods have disappeared since 2001. The majority of these areas reverted to low income, where individual earnings were 20 to 40 per cent below the city average.

It shows that if current trends continue, a total of 10 per cent of the city will be middle income earners by 2025; 30 per cent will be upper middle income; and a whopping 60 per cent of Toronto’s residents will be in the low to very low income bracket, sources say.

That’s quite a swing from 1970, when 66 per cent of Toronto neighbourhoods were middle income, 15 per cent were upper income, and 19 per cent were low income.

Wednesday’s report is authored by U of T professor and researcher David Hulchanski, as were the two before it. It doesn’t blame municipal governments for the income trends, but one observer pointed out that the report’s release is timely in light of the fiscally minded administration at city hall headed by newly minted Mayor Rob Ford.

Ford has vowed to make about $230 million in spending cuts this year but say he will also retain services. Still, many people worry that whatever cuts Ford makes will still hurt less fortunate residents.

Hulchanski’s latest findings will serve as a “wake-up call” to the Ford administration that it can’t ignore the problem of dwindling incomes in Toronto’s neighbourhoods, says Michael Shapcott, director of affordable housing for the Wellesley Institute, a research body.

Hulchanki’s latest findings send “a clear signal to Ford and members of his administration (that) these are absolutely urgent issues and that while Toronto can’t solve (them) on its own, the city can make a bad situation worse if it’s not careful,” Shapcott added.

A major reason for the dropping income levels is the loss of manufacturing jobs — and the shift to service sector employment, Shapcott argues.

Other reports have documented declining incomes in certain Toronto neighbourhoods. They include the 2004 United Way study called Poverty by Postal Code, which found the problem is particularly acute in many suburban sections of the 416 area code.

Aside from lower incomes, these neighbourhoods tend to have fewer services, higher rates of crime, and less access to transit.

The latest study also found similar income declines in the 905, according to sources.

Hulchanski did not respond to requests for an interview prior to Wednesday’s release.
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Old 12-15-2010, 11:17 AM   #2
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hmm well its nice to hear the status quo, non 'rocking of the boat' is working out really well for people


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Old 12-15-2010, 12:58 PM   #3
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Unions ftw! They aren't going anywhere, the ontario unions are too strong.
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Old 12-15-2010, 01:06 PM   #4
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Unions ftw! They aren't going anywhere, the ontario unions are too strong.
Spoken by a true sheep, what union takes your money?
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Old 12-15-2010, 01:09 PM   #5
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Old 12-15-2010, 03:51 PM   #6
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Hated every moment that I worked for a union. Unions are they to protect the lazy and hold back the productive.
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Old 12-15-2010, 04:07 PM   #7
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Hated every moment that I worked for a union. Unions are they to protect the lazy and hold back the productive.
That is a very pessimistic view of a Union. Although you are right to some degree, as a whole, I disagree. I am a perfect example of being given opportinuties earlier than anyone else and workers with tons of seniority, simply because of my productivity, knowledge and skills.

The right people always notice. The union makes sure that the "right" people don't abuse you.
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Old 12-15-2010, 05:47 PM   #8
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I'm a sheep??? Yeah ok idk what kind of union you guys have but I get 6.20 a hour union pension
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Old 12-15-2010, 08:35 PM   #9
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That is a very pessimistic view of a Union. Although you are right to some degree, as a whole, I disagree. I am a perfect example of being given opportinuties earlier than anyone else and workers with tons of seniority, simply because of my productivity, knowledge and skills.

The right people always notice. The union makes sure that the "right" people don't abuse you.
I have laws that protect me. I don't need to pay some dude to live the rich life and take my money and do nothing, that's why I pay taxes.

Unions are good when industry is new and starting and people need protection. Here, they kill industry with greed.
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Old 12-15-2010, 08:52 PM   #10
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Here, they kill industry with greed.
QFT.

Unions and ridiculous safety regulations are two of the biggest reasons why companies don't want to manufacture stuff here anymore.
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Old 12-16-2010, 01:18 AM   #11
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truth be told we need BOTH

The unions and The corps!

They both have goods and bads. Like anywhere else some suffer and some gain.
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Old 12-16-2010, 05:52 AM   #12
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Japan has no unions, look at the products that come from that country. Cars for example. Japs have reliable cars, while our domestic cars were absolute shite. That is until people got nearer to losing their jobs.

Unions allow the wrong people to keep their job. The people who know how to work, and work well, don't need unions. If you do you job right, and don't eff around, then there won't be a reason to let you go. If there is any wrong doing on the companies part, that's what the Labour Board is for.

You just need to do your job correctly, and not call in all the time, and you will do alright.
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Old 12-16-2010, 07:29 AM   #13
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A few years back I was hired by a private company to do some upgrades on some software, the owner/my boss gave me list of things he wanted to be done and told me to do what ever I could during my 4 months contract. I finished everything in under a month, then I found out that list was a 2 year plan. I was fired for being over-productive, I don't think this would have happened it if there was a union involved. Plus the guy was so cheap he didn't even want to pay me 10$/hour, I could make more washing dishes.

Even though I might contradict myself a bit, unions do help the people that don't want to work. I used to hang out with a union rep and I heard some good stories, they do help people that go through rough patches in their lives. There's a good side and a bad side to it.
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Old 12-16-2010, 09:46 AM   #14
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Unions keep a paycheque comin in during rough economical times.
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Old 12-16-2010, 10:33 AM   #15
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Poor management is to blame for the need of Unions. You will see any place with good management (industries where there are some with unions and some with not.. ie, auto, grocery..) The ones with good management don't have unions and the workers are happy to be there.

Your job should be a home to you not just place to make a pay cheque. Where places with Unions I have worked it was clearly an Us vs You vs Them environment.
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