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Old 08-27-2010, 05:52 PM   #1
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Exclamation Driving Under the Influence of…Bread!? Breathalyzer are a joke!



how many lives ruined over this voodo dr, whitchcraft bs?
probably by design

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Driving Under the Influence of…Bread


Posted by Lawrence Taylor on August 9th, 2010

Phil Price, a friend and nationally known DUI attorney in Montgomery, Alabama, conducted an interesting series of tests a few years ago on one of the most commonly used breath testing machines. Without consuming any alcoholic beverages, he submitted himself to repeated breath testing — after eating various types of food.

His findings were startling.

After consuming almost any type of bread product — white loaf bread, donuts, pretzels, pastries, etc. — Price consistently registered blood-alcohol readings on the machine. These levels were commonly around .03%, but rose as high as .05% (enough, along with a drink or two, to reach illegal levels). Further, the Intoxilyzer’s slope detector (an electrical circuit designed to detect alcohol from the mouth rather than from the lungs) failed to indicate the presence of any "mouth alcohol". He reported this in an article entitled "Intoxilyzer: A Bread Testing Device?", 15(4)Drinking/Driving Law Letter 52.

Reacting to the use of this article by defense attorneys in their state, the Washington State Toxicology Laboratory conducted their own studies to refute the findings — this time with the machine used in Washington, a DataMaster. Unfortunately, their research only confimed Price’s experience.

As reported in Logan and Distefano, "Ethanol Content of Various Foods and Soft Drinks and their Potential for Interference with a Breath-Alcohol Test", 22 Journal of Analytical Toxicology 18 (1998), a variety of breads and soft drinks were tested and found to contain no alcohol. Alcohol-free subjects then ingested these products and provided breath samples into a DataMaster. The law enforcement researchers’ conclusions:


We found that, particularly at low concentrations but as high as 0.046g/210L, mouth alcohol rather than expiratory breath alcohol may be reported as apparent true breath alcohol…


In other words, alcohol-free subjects who consumed bread or soft drinks were causing the machines to read up to .05% blood alcohol concentrations (readings are rounded off to closest 1/100th percentile). Furthermore, the slope detection system failed to screen the effects of mouth alcohol from that of alcohol coming from the lungs:


It is evident from these results that the slope detector feature was unable to distinguish mouth-alcohol concentrations at these very low levels.


What caused bread to register on breath machines as alcohol? The theory of the state lab’s experts:


Most baked products with listed contents indicating they contained yeast did in fact have some alcohol present. Alcohol is produced by the fermentation process in yeasts by their action on simple sugars used in preparing the dough….Although most of the alcohol in the dough is lost during the baking process, some is evidently retained in the matrix of the bread…


Parenthetically, there exists additional scientific literature reporting intoxication in animals eating dough and sourdough. Suter, "Presumed Ethanol Intoxication in Sheep Dogs Fed Uncooked Pizza Dough", 69(1) Australian Veterinary Journal 20 (1990); Thrall, et al., "Ethanol Toxicosis Secondary to Sourdough Ingestion in a Dog", 184(12) Journal of American Veterinary Medical Association 1513 (1984).

The effects of bread on breathalyzers is not just an interesting anecdote. The significance of these findings should be apparent. First, bread dough tends to stick between the teeth and remain there for extended periods of time, later to be breathed into a breathalyzer; it also absorbs alcohol while between the teeth. Second, although it is not illegal to drive with a .04% blood alcohol level,adding one or two drinks to the bread reading could raise that above the illegal .08% level.




http://www.duiblog.com/2010/08/09/dr...ce-of-bread-2/
so theres that revelation compared to this Reality:

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Consequences of Drinking and Driving
Ontario leads the way in combating drinking and driving through some of the toughest laws and programs in North America.

Roadside Licence Suspension
Fully-licensed drivers will face immediate roadside licence suspension for:

•refusing a breath test.
registering a blood alcohol concentration (BAC) of 0.05 or more (this means there is 50 milligrams of alcohol in every 100 millilitres of blood).
As of August 1, 2010, if you are a fully licensed driver who is 21 and under or a novice driver and are caught with any alcohol in your blood, you will receive an immediate 24-hour roadside driver licence suspension and, if convicted, you will face a fine of $60-$500 and a 30-day licence suspension.

Novice drivers of all ages in the Graduated Licensing System (GLS) must also maintain a zero BAC while driving. As of August 1, 2010, if you are a novice driver and are caught with any amount of alcohol in your blood, you will receive an immediate 24-hour roadside driver licence suspension, and if convicted, will face a fine of $60-$500 and will receive a suspension period as per the Novice Driver Escalating Sanction scheme, up to and including cancellation of the novice licence. You will also have to return to the start of GLS.

Consequences for impaired driving are serious: you can lose your licence, be fined, or spend time in jail.



http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/safety/impaired/
so there ya go -enjoy it - arrive alive, don't eat & drive. drive starving on an empty stomach youngsters or bam -huge fkn fines, licence suspsension & jailtime?

you toolbags are welcome
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Old 08-27-2010, 11:49 PM   #2
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I thougth you can refuse a breathalyzer, and opt for a blood test?
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Old 08-28-2010, 03:23 PM   #3
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which is a huge fine also^^^^
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Old 08-28-2010, 04:00 PM   #4
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so let me get this straight, if you refuse the breath test, and say I m perfectly okay with a blood test, They fine you?

And then what, if you have no alchohol in your blood, do they give your money back?
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Old 08-28-2010, 04:20 PM   #5
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yes, refusing a road-side breathalyzer is a fine. They then arrest you, bring you to the station and take a blood sample.

edit: my bad, just read the highway traffic act.......states that your licence will be suspended if you don't provide a breath sample

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/sta...h08_e.htm#BK88

section 48

don't know what constitutes a DWI though? YOu can still be charged with DWI though right?

I'm pretty sure that if the officer thinks you're drunk, they arrest you and you HAVE to give a blood sample.........idk though.
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Old 08-30-2010, 06:00 PM   #6
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refusing a breath sample is the equivalent of taking it and getting a reading above the limit.
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Old 08-31-2010, 01:11 AM   #7
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I love this kind of stuff !!!! :/
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Old 08-31-2010, 11:21 AM   #8
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this is stupid, the guy is basically saying that if you eat bread in combination with drinking you'll get drunk.

yeah, that's kind of obvious.

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