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Old 07-22-2010, 01:12 PM   #1
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Cool Pictures from Gaza.....



(which the media won't show you)

Sooo much misery ~> http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideast...es/001127.html

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Old 07-22-2010, 10:28 PM   #3
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so a mall and a swimming pool equals happy life?
In that case Canadians must all be billionaires and happy with their lifes! Must be no poverty and no poor people there!!!


Oh wait....this was written by Tom Gross!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Gross


Tom Gross is a British-born journalist and international affairs commentator[1], specializing in the Middle East. He was formerly Jerusalem correspondent for the London Sunday Telegraph and for the New York Daily News.


His father, John Gross, is an author and critic, and his mother, Miriam Gross, and sister, Susanna Gross, are prominent literary editors. Gross' grandfather was Kurt May, a German-Jew who fled Nazi persecution to Jerusalem, where his mother was born.[14] May, a lawyer who was disbarred in Nazi Germany for his Jewish heritage, later contributed significantly to the legal battle of The United Restitution Organization, which fought to attain restitution from German companies for persecuted Jews, after World War II.[15]

He seems a very reliable source!!! A hardcore pro-Israel Jew that has been openly supporting Israerl no matter what. lmao
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so a mall and a swimming pool equals happy life?
In that case Canadians must all be billionaires and happy with their lifes! Must be no poverty and no poor people there!!!
AND plenty of food, supplies, luxury items, building materials, restaurants...
I knew you would come in and downplay these pics.
Clearly not the squalid "concentration camp" depiction that you and most of the media would like us to believe.
The point is that the media always shows some poor kids or old people in a tent on a pile of dirt.
We all have poverty, especially Iceland from what I hear of late.
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Old 07-22-2010, 10:50 PM   #5
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AND plenty of food, supplies, luxury items, building materials, restaurants...
I knew you would come in and downplay these pics.
Clearly not the squalid "concentration camp" depiction that you and most of the media would like us to believe.
The point is that the media always shows some poor kids or old people in a tent on a pile of dirt.
We all have poverty, especially Iceland from what I hear of late.
yeah right...
I dont deny that the media play the stories the way they want to.....but a good proof is the author of what you posted. He likes to portray things his way....in other words Gazza is great and has no problems.
They are doing great and its all a lie.
No matter that probably only 10% of the population has a western lifestyle in some way or another and the fact the hole place is more or less a prison controlled by Israel for them!
But its ok they can all go swim at their swimmingpool and do some window shopping at the mall!!!!

By the way they must be all well.....i noticed they are clean and have shoes too.......They must all be rich
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here are some facts for you:
UNICEF: At a glance: Occupied Palestinian Territory

Poverty has dramatically worsened since 2000; access to jobs, schools, and medical care is hampered by hundreds of checkpoints and roadblocks.

In Gaza half of the population is under age 18, making efforts on behalf of children especially urgent.

Issues facing children in the Occupied Palestinian Territory

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■The Occupied Palestinian Territory has been polio-free since the mid-1990s. Immunization rates are above 90 per cent for major vaccine-preventable diseases. But many families and communities still lack the knowledge and means to prevent common childhood diseases.

■Landmines and other unexploded ordnance are an ongoing threat to children.

■Chronic malnutrition affects nearly 10 per cent of children under age five. The situation is most acute in Gaza, where 50,000 children are malnourished. About half of children under age two are anaemic and 70 per cent have vitamin A deficiency.

■Approximately 10 per cent of girls ages 15 to 18 are pregnant or already have a child.

■Violence against children is a problem in homes and schools. An estimated one fifth of children have experienced violence at the hands of family members.

■Children in nearly a third of all families experience anxiety, phobia or depression.

■School enrolment is high, but it is starting to decline. The quality of education is also suffering because schools lack textbooks and other materials. Nearly half of all students have seen their school besieged by troops, and more than 10 per cent have witnessed the killing of a teacher in school


Sounds just like every other school kids life to you?

http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/oPt.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7766509.stm

and the best one:
http://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/PNADA826.pdf

food intake is worse in Gaza than the West Bank. Some 45.1% of Gaza households are under or unemployed (total working hours less than 20 hours per week or no members employed) compared to 34.0% of West Bank households. Not surprisingly, acutely and chronically malnourished children are more likely to come from households with a poor level of employment than those with part-time or full employment (GAM of 4.1% versus 2.3%; GCM of 18.3 versus 12.1%). West Bankers who depend on fuel during the winter months are similarly stressed: 33.0% decreased fuel consumption during the winter of 2003 compared to 2002 despite the fact that both were similar in mean temperature. In addition, the amount of monthly Palestinian household income decreased 53.9% in the six months prior to the survey, an indication that food insecurity will likely increase with further deterioration in the Palestinian economy.

Despite the improvement in the anthropometric indicators, the quality of food intake remarkably declined for all key macro and micronutrients studied. The food baskets are not micronutrient rich; other strategies which increase essential vitamins and minerals in the diet will need to be considered and implemented. Perhaps the most ominous indicator of food insecurity is the decline in absolute daily caloric intake in children as they age.
A high percentage of the population depends on food aid, however, food assistance was not targeted well to households who were deemed food insecure by virtue of the frequency with which food strategies were being utilized or by virtue of level of employment. Household purchasing power remains limited, especially in the Gaza Strip where a greater percentage of households had limited employment and where coping strategies were more frequently utilized for food access. Food acquisition often takes precedence over clothing for children, medications for chronic diseases, bill payments, and gift giving.
In general, despite the intensive efforts by the humanitarian community, household food security and its effects on nutrition in preschool age children remain tenuous in the Palestinian Territories. If the likelihood of further economic deterioration remains and financial access to food will remain the dominant difficulty for Palestinian households, the future efforts will need to focus on maintaining some level of food assistance, either through subsidies, food for work programs, voucher for food programs, job creation programs, price controls for nutrient rich foods, or some combination. A broad network of nutritional surveillance should begin immediately as any change in food assistance or added physical barriers to food by Israel could easily provoke a downturn in the nutritional indicators.



Yes you aare right...it must all be lies....they are faking their suffering by not eating till they die!!!

Just like the people tha believed the earth was flat....you just keep believing folks like Mr Gross ( obviously a Zionist)
Let people like me belive otherwise!
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^^^

These figures are almost a decade old, never the less, many countries in the world have WAY worse stats (Incl. Turkey apparently).
So, why only blame Israel and not Egypt ?
Egypt has closed its borders to Gaza (since the Israeli withdrawal) and not a peep out of you ?
Lots of oppressed, much poorer people in other Arab/Muslim countries that you don't champion.
You complain about the author, yet seem to have your own personal vendetta against Israel.

PS: Do you Icelanders ever sleep ? It must be like 3 am for you now ?

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Old 07-23-2010, 05:37 AM   #8
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These figures are almost a decade old, never the less, many countries in the world have WAY worse stats (Incl. Turkey apparently).
So, why only blame Israel and not Egypt ?
Egypt has closed its borders to Gaza (since the Israeli withdrawal) and not a peep out of you ?
Lots of oppressed, much poorer people in other Arab/Muslim countries that you don't champion.
You complain about the author, yet seem to have your own personal vendetta against Israel.

PS: Do you Icelanders ever sleep ? It must be like 3 am for you now ?

Turkey has problems similar to this yes. But they have been known using similar strategies to Israel if not worst(against the Hurds). They are growing though and if you go there poverty is more or less to other reasons and not due to another nation.
Egypt has been reopening the boarders slowly and are not using weapons against Gazza.
Also Israel is not even close to a poor country and continuously try to be more western then their neighbours if you know what i mean. Yet they use tactics like the worst of them there.
I have nothing against Israel other than that. I know its hard for you to understand but from my experiences Israel is the bad guy in this case.
In my eyes its like a schoolfight between the big bully and the tiny weak guy of the class.
Even if the weak guys started it....it just is not fair and should be stopped asap!

And yes it was late. I was working on my car till about 2
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Egypt doesn't use weapons against Gaza because Gaza doesn't use weapons against Egypt.

Israel should be applauded for "trying to be more western", and they definitely don't use tactics like their Arab neighbours.

Who's the bully in the middle east? Several times Israel has been attacked by multiple Arab nations simultaneously. That somehow makes tiny Israel the bully? Israel is the tiny, geeky kid in school who keeps getting smacked around here and there by all the other kids, but then people start to realize that that geeky kid has a hell of a right hook once he's fed up. Maybe they should just leave that kid alone and then the geeky kid won't end up hurting all the idiots who used to pick on him??
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Egypt doesn't use weapons against Gaza because Gaza doesn't use weapons against Egypt.

Israel should be applauded for "trying to be more western", and they definitely don't use tactics like their Arab neighbours.

Who's the bully in the middle east? Several times Israel has been attacked by multiple Arab nations simultaneously. That somehow makes tiny Israel the bully? Israel is the tiny, geeky kid in school who keeps getting smacked around here and there by all the other kids, but then people start to realize that that geeky kid has a hell of a right hook once he's fed up. Maybe they should just leave that kid alone and then the geeky kid won't end up hurting all the idiots who used to pick on him??

Israel has proven that it can return land for peace (Egypt & Jordan peace agreements).
What peace efforts has Hamas EVER made, except for killing and threatening to annihilate Israel ?
What this is all about is the continuation of the age old conflict.....just on another front...by trying to deligitimize the State of Israel in holding it accountable to different standards, than the rest of the world.
They are playing to the "Leftist Chic", like Magnus, who believe that Israel does not have the right to defend itself (just because it's stronger).
I know not many regular folks care about this topic, but imagine (just for argument's sake) that Indians (funded by Hugo Chavez of Venezuela) took over Hamilton.
Once fully in control of Hamilton.....they ruled with an iron fist and started continuously barraging Toronto with home-made rockets...because they wanted to rule all of the GTA and drive all its residents into lake Ontario.
Would you see these Indians as a legitimate partner in peace ?
What mad man would give them any land, until they elected a more peaceful leadership and stopped terrorizing us ?
I know that this is not the best example, cause the Indians were actually native to this land, where there was no such thing as Palestinians in biblical times.
It's about time that the Middle East accepts Israel and that it's here to stay.
Only then will this nonsense end.

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Israel has proven that it can return land for peace (Egypt & Jordan peace agreements).
What peace efforts has Hamas EVER made, except for killing and threatening to annihilate Israel ?
What this is all about is the continuation of the age old conflict.....just on another front...by trying to deligitimize the State of Israel in holding it accountable to different standards, than the rest of the world.
They are playing to the "Leftist Chic", like Magnus, who believe that Israel does not have the right to defend itself (just because it's stronger).
I know not many regular folks care about this topic, but imagine (just for argument's sake) that Indians (funded by Hugo Chavez of Venezuela) took over Hamilton.
Once fully in control of Hamilton.....they ruled with an iron fist and started continuously barraging Toronto with home-made rockets...because they wanted to rule all of the GTA and drive all its residents into lake Ontario.
Would you see these Indians as a legitimate partner in peace ?
What mad man would give them any land, until they elected a more peaceful leadership and stopped terrorizing us ?
I know that this is not the best example, cause the Indians were actually native to this land, where there was no such thing as Palestinians in biblical times.
It's about time that the Middle East accepts Israel and that it's here to stay.
Only then will this nonsense end.



Leftist?
So i take it you are supporting rightism?
Ok lets put it this way.+I magine a few Canadians throwing a rocket to US and then US replies with a massive military action against Canada killing women and children that have nothing to do with it.
Would that be right?
Besides you do realize that the rockets you refer to barely hit anything as they dont have a long enough range?
and if by killing 10 innocent Gazans in retaliation to one death of an Israeli (which i agree is wrong in the first place but not a whole nation is responsible) caused by some wrongminded small group, is right, then i would definetly class you as thinking like a right wing person. And Israel relies on right wing folks like you to believe they are right!
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Leftist?
So i take it you are supporting rightism?
Ok lets put it this way.+I magine a few Canadians throwing a rocket to US and then US replies with a massive military action against Canada killing women and children that have nothing to do with it.
Would that be right?
Besides you do realize that the rockets you refer to barely hit anything as they dont have a long enough range?
and if by killing 10 innocent Gazans in retaliation to one death of an Israeli (which i agree is wrong in the first place but not a whole nation is responsible) caused by some wrongminded small group, is right, then i would definetly class you as thinking like a right wing person. And Israel relies on right wing folks like you to believe they are right!
I didn't say leftist, but "Leftist Chic" (a fashionable support for the underdog).
If you lived in Israel for an extended period of time, you wouldn't be down-playing Hamas's actions, the way you do.

Therefore, your example should be corrected to read:

A) "most" Canadians throwing "rockets" into the US, as Hamas was apparently elected by the majority of the Gaza population, knowing very well that Hamas charter calls for the destruction of Israel.

B) We are not talking about a single rocket, but well over a thousand rocket strikes over the years.
Maybe Israel should completely open up Gaza's borders, so Hamas can import the proper long-range missiles from Iran to reach the larger population of Israel ?

C) and "Yes", if the Canadian government (not a few Canadians) were the ones ordering these rocket strikes (just like Hamas does), then the US would have the full right to retaliate, against such acts of war, IN ANY WAY THEY SEE FIT, TO PROTECT EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF THEIR POPULATION. No one wants to be a sitting duck !

D) These "innocent" palestinian woman and children are supporting this action by keeping Hamas in power. They hide them in their homes and were the first to rejoice on the streets, when hearing of 9/11.

E) The rockets have killed hundreds of Israelis, not even mentioning the suicide attacks, before Israel built the security wall.

F) Not sure why you believe that we are talking about a wrongminded "small" group attacking Israel. There are massive crowds on Gaza's street supporting this state (Hamas/Iran) sponsored terrorism !


Israel is not in a war of counting "killing 10 innocent Gazans in retaliation to one death of an Israeli", but is fighting to protect it's borders and the right for peaceful co-existence.
When a vast majority of the Gaza population supports these acts of war, then they will be collectively punished by Israel.
Once the Gazans elect a government with peaceful intentions, then Israel will reach out to them, just like it has with Egypt and Jordan.

You can't massively downplay this BS as just some kids throwing stones or a single rocket, as it is undisputed state terrorism with documented support from Iran, seeking the destruction of the State of Israel and our democratic western way of life.

PS: If, indeed, what was going on here was a handful of thugs attacking Israel, then I would fully support your position. Though, sadly that is clearly not the case here.

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A good example of what i am trying to tell you is during the intifadah, beginning in late 1987, there were many reports of Jewish vigilantism, including shootings, punitive raids on refugee camps, and assaults on Arab motorists in retaliation for rock-throwing attacks by Arab youths. Most of these appeared to be spontaneous actions by settlers of individual communities.
In other words they through a stone and the Israelies responded with gun fire..... Is that right in your mind?
Obviously you dont know the history so well as you missed some crucial parts:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_political_violence


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gush_Emunim_Underground

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_HaKanaim

Here is some facts for you too taken from http://www.rense.com/general21/pastzionist.htm
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Following are just a few of the many massacres committed by Jewish-Zionist terrorists, notably by the Zionist Hagana, Irgun and Stern Gang groups.

Don't expect any Hollywood films highlighting any of these massacres:


July 2, 1946: The King David Hotel in Jerusalem was bombed, killing 91 people.

Menachem Begin, who was later awarded the Nobel Prize for peace, is the same man who planned the destruction of the King David Hotel and the massacre of Deir Yassin. Ex prime minister, Shamir, was originally a member of the Jewish terrorist gang called Irgun, which was headed by none other than Menachem Begin. Shamir later moved over to the even more radical "Stern Gang," which committed many vicious atrocities.

Shamir himself has defended the various assassinations committed by the Irgun and Stern gangs on the grounds that "it was the only way we could operate, because we were so small. So it was more efficient and more moral to go for selected targets." The selected moral targets in those early days of the founding of the state of Israel included bombing of the King David Hotel and the massacre of Deir Yassin.

April 9, 1948: A combined force of Irgun and Stern Gangs committed a brutal massacre of 260 Arab residents of the village of Deir Yassin. Most of whom were women and children. The Israeli hordes even attacked the dead to satisfy their bestial tendencies. In April, 1954, during Holy Week, and on the eve of Easter, The Christian cemeteries in Haifa were invaded, crosses broken down and trampled under the feet of these miscreants, and the tombs desecrated. The Israeli military conquest, therefore was made against a defenseless people, who had been softened up by such earlier massacres as Deir Yasin (where 250 Arabs; men, women and children were massacred).

The Jew, Weizman, referred to the massacre as this "miraculous simplification of our task," and Ben Gurion said that "without Deir Yasin there would be no Israel." Americans are not told that ten percent of the Arabs killed by the Israelis in 1948 were Christian, and that ten percent of the Arab property confiscated belonged to Christians. Nor are they told that Israel's massacres and military actions forced 100,000 Christians to become refugees.

Accounts by Red Cross and United Nations observers who visited the scene said that the houses were first set on fire and the occupants were shot down as they came out to escape the flames. One pregnant woman had her baby cut out of her stomach with a knife. Reminiscent of the acts committed by their brother Jews in Russia during and after the Bolshevik (Jewish) takeover. The head of the International Red Cross delegation in Palestine, Jacques de Reynier, drove into the village and was met by a detachment of Irgun terrorists. In his report of the massacre the previous night, he wrote: "All of them were young, some even adolescents, men and women armed to the teeth: revolvers, machine-guns, hand-grenades, and knives, most of them still blood-stained. A beautiful young girl with criminal eyes showed me hers (knife) still dripping with blood, she displayed it like a trophy."

May 1948: The U.S. appointed Count Folke Bernadotte of Sweden to mediate between the Arabs and the Israelis. In his first progress report (of Sept. 16, 1948) he recommended that the U.N. should affirm "the right of the Arab refugees to return to their homes in Jewish controlled territory at the earliest possible date." The Israelis responded in their own quiet way. The following day Bernadotte was murdered in Jerusalem.

Responsibility for the spectacular assassination, which caused an international outcry, was claimed by an unknown group, "Fatherland Front," which was actually a cover for Shamir's Stern Gang. Yoshua Zeitler and Meshlam Markover of Stern told Israeli television in 1989 that they respectively directed and led the operation that killed the Swedish diplomat and his French aide-de-camp. Zeitler, 71, said he decided to speak now because of fear that the U.N. and the "goyim" (non-Jews) are again trying to force Israel into concessions.

February 1949: Israel launched an offensive across the Armistice lines with Egypt which brought its forces to the Gulf of Aqaba, occupying the Palestinian police post of Umm Rashrash which they afterwards named Eilat.

1950: Israelis seized the Al-Uja de-militarized zone on the Egyptian side and Baqqara on the Syrian side, expelling their Arab inhabitants and razed their homes to the ground by bulldozers.

1950-1955: Israeli forces unleashed more than 40 acts of armed aggressions against Arab states, almost all causing a heavy loss of life. This included attacks and massacres in Qibya, Huleh 1953, Nahalin, Kfar Qassem in 1954, Gaza and a Syrian outpost on Lake Tiberias in 1955.

October 14-1 5, 1953 -- Under the command of Ariel Sharon, Israeli squads attacked the unarmed Arab village of Qibya in the demilitarized one. Where they blew up 42 houses and killed more than 60 residents who were trapped inside. The details were so gruesome that the U.S. joined in a U.N. condemnation of the Israeli action, and for the first and only time, suspended aid to Israel in reprisal.

July 1954: Israeli intelligence planted "a ring of spies (moles)" in Cairo. Its task was to begin sabotage operations against selected Egyptian, British and American targets. On July 14, the Alexandria post office was fire-bombed, and the U.S. Information Agency offices in Cairo and Alexandria were damaged by fire started by phosphorous incendiary devices, as was a British-owned theater.

Members of the spy ring were caught, and they confessed. They had been planted by Modin, the Israeli military intelligence organization. The purpose, presumably, was to sabotage Egyptian relations with the U.S. and Britain. Various commissions of inquiry into the affair conducted in Israel were never able to decide whether or not Israeli Defense Minister Pinchos Lavon authorized the operation.

MORE JEWISH TERRORISM

1956: Squads of Israeli soldiers committed a hideous atrocity in the Palestinian village of Kafr Qasim, 47 innocent people were shot down in cold blood. The careful and premeditated mass murders, never received great attention in the West. Although the Israeli courts convicted eight soldiers of murder, they were all released within two years of their trial, and within three years one of them who had been convicted of killing 43 Arabs in an hour, was engaged by the municipality of Ramleh as the "officer responsible for Arab affairs in the city." In October 1956 Israel, backed by England and France, attacked Egypt to gain control of the Suez Canal.

Taking advantage of the situation created by Egypt's decision of nationalization of the Suez Canal, Israel joined forces with Britain and France to invade Egypt. As a result, it occupied the Sinai Peninsula, seized the Gaza Strip, and Sharm Al sheikh which guarded the Strait of Tiran and the entrance to the Gulf of Aqaba. a year letter it withdrew reluctantly under the combined pressure of the U.N., U.S.A. and the Soviet Union.

There was no military necessity for this destruction; it was sheer vengeance against Arab Christians. This action created another 300,000 Arab refugees, thus making a total refugee population of Christian and Muslin Arabs, which is larger than the combined populations of Montana, Nevada and Wyoming. It was during this campaign that the Israeli's attacked the U.S.S. Liberty with the death of 34 of its number. If this had been an Egyptian or a Russian attack, American would have been at war, but the Jewish vote of America silenced any American criticisms of this action. Americans are also not told that Israel has always refused to obey any mandate of the United Nations. Resolutions affirmed by vote every year since 1948 recognize the right of the return of Palestinian refugees, but Israel always refuses to obey. Israel has been condemned over and over again for breaking the charter and now fulfilling the conditions upon which she was allowed to become a member!

1960-1962: Israeli forces attacked Syrian villages on Lade Tiberias and brought death to hundreds of Arab civilians.

1966: Squads of Israeli soldiers raided the Jordanian village of Sammu, they killed 18 civilians, wounded 100 others and demolished 130 houses including a school, a clinic and a mosque.

1967: THE U.S.S. Liberty was deliberately attacked in international waters as it monitored communications during the Six-Day War. Israel used U.S.-donated equipment to jam the ship's S.O.S., hoping to sink it and murder all aboard before word could get out. 34 sailors were butchered and 170 wounded in this blatant Act of War. The Liberty was part of the Sixth Fleet, a powerful group of men and ships paid for by U.S. Taxpayers to protect the Israeli's. What do the Jews think of our American Service Men, the descendants of the men who pulled their chestnuts out of the fire in World War II?

June 5, 1967: Israeli committed its biggest, most treacherous and premeditated aggression against Egypt, Syria and Jordan. After destroying Arab aircraft on the ground in a lightening attack, Israeli forces invaded and occupied the rest of Palestine, that is, the West Bank, Gaza Strip, East Jerusalem, the Syrian Golan Heights and the Egyptian Sinai Peninsula. In the first days of its aggression and in plain disregard of the truth, Israel fabricated a charge of aggression against its victims and presented it in a dramatic manner to the U.N. Security Council. Western media spread this fabricated story and the whole world sympathized with the supposed victim. In 1967 the Israeli's made a third ruthless blitzkrieg attack upon the Arabs. This time they deliberately destroyed three quarters of a million dollar's worth of church property.
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The great deception practiced by Israel on the U.N. and the whole world is now completely discredited, the Israelis, therefore, changed their tactics and rely nowadays on the argument that, they were NOT attacked by Egypt, they were in danger of BEING attacked, and hence they resorted to a so-called pre-emptive strike. Alan Hart quotes a former Israeli Director of military intelligence as telling him "if Nasser had not given Israel the excuse to attack the Arabs, Israel would have invented a pretext for war within six or ten months" because its military planners had decided that the time had come to knock out vast amounts of mainly Soviet-supplied Arab armor. Yitzhak Rabin, who as chief of staff planned this attack told Le Monde in February 1968, quite simply: "We knew that Nasser did not intend to attack."

February 15, 1968: Israel invaded PLO bases in Karamah, on the eastern bank of the River Jordan with helicopter-borne troops and tanks. Three hundred commandos fought off 1,500 Israeli soldiers and force them to retreat. The battle lasted all day and into the evening. Although the village was totally destroyed, the Palestinian defenders repelled the Israelis and inflicted heavy casualties among the invaders. By the Israeli account, they lost 28 soldiers and 90 were wounded.

1969: The Israelis distinguished themselves by committing a horrible crime, in retaliation of attrition war across the Suez Canal, Israeli war planes raided an Egyptian school "Bahr al Baker" in southern Egypt killing 75 children and wounding over 100.

August 1969: An Israeli set fire to one of the most sacred Islamic shrines. Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, causing extensive damage to it. This crime plunged over one billion Muslims throughout the world into the deepest anguish.

March 12, 1970: Israeli forces invaded part of South Lebanon known as "Fatah-Land" killing a number of Palestinian and Lebanese civilians.

September 8, 1972 -- Without any apparent cause or reason, Israeli Phantoms bombed Palestinian targets in Lebanon and Syria in a series of raids killing hundreds of civilians. This action was explained by the Israeli prime minister the next day, who in the Knesset, that "Israel had now adopted a new policy to strike at the terrorist organizations where ever we can reach them."

February 21, 1973: Israel landed commando units on the coasts of the northern Lebanese city of Tripoli. They attacked two Palestinian refugees camps, dynamited several houses and buildings, some over the heads of their occupants, killing 35 refugees and wounding a similar number. On the same day, Israeli war planes shot down a Libyan Civilian Aircraft over the Sinai Desert killing over 100 passengers.

April 10, 1973: Israeli commando units with the help of some Lebanese collaborators stormed into a residential quarter in East Beirut and killed three PLO leaders: Yusef Al Najjar, Kamal Adwan and Kamal Nasser.

1974: Israeli air-borne commando units attacked Beirut airport and destroyed 13 Lebanese civilian aircraft on the ground.

In the same year, Israeli planes intercepted a civilian Syrian aircraft and forced it to land at Lydda (Lod) airport on suspicion that it was carrying a Palestinian commando leader. Christian shrines in Jerusalem were subjected to several acts of aggression and robbery. This included damaging the church of the Holy Sepulchre, burying four other Christian centers, and stealing the diamond Crown of the Virgin Mary.

1975-1980: Israeli's intelligence service, the Mossad, distinguished itself by feats of terrorist actions that killed a number of Arab and Palestinian diplomats, scientists and journalists such as the PLO representatives in London, Rome, Paris and Brussels, prominent Palestinian journalist and writer Ghassan Kanafani and the Egyptian nuclear scientist Dr. Al Mashad.

1981: Putting their so-called pre-emptive policy in action, Israeli warplanes raided and destroyed a peaceful Iraqi nuclear reactor near Baghdad.

June 6, 1982: The Israeli armed forces invaded Lebanon. Less than two weeks after its election, the New Menachem Begin government unleashed the first blow in its war to liquidate the PLO in Lebanon.

June 1982: Israeli forced launched their savage invasion of Lebanon. As a result of this invasion a great number of refugee camps, Lebanese towns and villages were destroyed. Israeli warplanes launched eight raids on Palestinian targets in South Lebanon and Beirut, killing nearly one thousand people and wounding many others. The fantasy of the "pre-emptive strike policy" was dropped and even the Jerusalem Post correspondent was at pains to explain the purpose of the bombing raids. "The past few days of activities on the northern border followed five weeks of quiet. It is not know what triggered Israeli's Friday afternoon raid." Outraged by Israel's onslaught and the cruel destruction of Beirut, Jewish journalist Jacobo Timmerman called Begin "unbalanced" a "terrorist" and "a disgrace to the people." He accused Sharon of helping to make Israel "the Prussia of the Middle East.&quo t;

July 17, 1982: U.S. supplied F-4 and F-5 jets swooped low over Beirut in 4 passes, bombing the densely-populated Fakahani district. Five tall apartment buildings were destroyed, 200 people were killed and 800 wounded. Forty percent of the victims were small children, and one of the survivors was an unborn baby pulled by doctors from the dead mother's womb. Israel's then Chief-of-staff Rafael Eitan announced on Israeli Radio that civilian causalities were unimportant and that the Arab causalities suffered as of the July 17 attack did not yet constitute the Israeli "final solution."

September 1982: Israeli raids and bombardments continued during the weeks following the raid on Beirut in July. It was the beginning of the invasion of Beirut; after which an 80 days war led by Ariel Sharon, (then War Minister of Israel) resulted in the destruction of much of Beirut, killing and wounding thousands of Palestinians and Lebanese civilians. It was during this invasion that the massacre of the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps was committed. Where over 2,500 Palestinian women, children and elderly people were slaughtered in cold blood. Even the Israeli high court held a number of the Israeli military officers, including Sharon, responsible.

October 1982: Israeli terrorists bombed the houses, cars and offices of three elected Palestinian mayors on the West Bank, Nablus, Ramallah and Al Beireh.

1984: Israeli warships and gunboats intercepted merchant ships on the high seas off the coast of Lebanon and kidnapped a number of Palestinians.

1985: Israeli planes raided and destroyed the PLO headquarters in Tunis.

1986: Israeli secret agents assassinated a noted Palestinian cartoonist Naji Al Ali, in London.

April 1988: Israeli commando units stormed into the house of Khalil Al Wazir, in Tunis. Al Wazir who was the most senior PLO military commander and believed to be in charge of the Intifada, was murdered while sleeping.

February and March 1989: Israeli F-16 planes pounded Palestinian targets in Lebanon's Shouf Mountains, Damour and the Beka's valley with a series of raids killing a numbers of civilians, including 15 school children in Damour.

April 14, 1989: Israeli border guards and settlers attacked the peaceful and unarmed village of Nahalin near Bethlehem. Eight Palestinians were massacred for no reason and over 50 were injured. The killings took place late in the night and at the beginning of the Holy month of Ramadan.


Now how can someone that instigates terrorism as their means of expressing their various demand/beliefs/etc be ok when a country that is a millino times poorer and in such a lower level of stantards...even if they have swimming pools and a mall.....that has barely any army be the bad guys when they are more or less acting the same way as them be bad and Israel have no reason to take any blame.
My point is that yes the rockets are wrong but its not only the Palestinians that cause it.
Its the Israelies too.
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At the moment no one is allowed in or out without express Israeli permission.
They are launching regular air strikes against Gaza. They say it is in retaliation for rocket attacks by Hammas but it is totally disproportional and Hammas claim exactly the opposite, that it is Israel who is the aggressor.
Before the blockade the area was profitable and doing well. Now the largely innocent population are near starvation.
Israel might object to Hammas but they were at least democratically elected this time. It seems that Gaza is free to vote but only free to vote for a party permitted by Israel.
Worst of all and inexcusable is Israels refusal to allow aid into Gaza.
Aid agencies are lined up waiting to go in to alleviate the suffering of those innocent people caught up in this but the Government will not allow them in.
This is in direct contravention of the Geneva Convention and international law.
How can they justify these totally disproportional measures which only serve to punish innocent people. I doubt the terrorists care much.
Also how can people, including yourself, support these actions in the light of the illegality and suffering of innocent people.
Yes the terrorists are wrong throwing rockets but that does not justify the actions Israel takes in retaliation.
They behave as if Israeli life is worth more than Palestinian life.
If you fail to recognize the failings and moral shortcomings on both sides you are part of the problem.
BTW i hope you know why the recent developments of the past 3 years is taking place!
If not just to enlighten you ...

Israel broke the truce on November 4, 2008. While the whole world was focused on US Presidential elections.

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