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Old 06-10-2010, 04:22 PM   #91
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Let's get real....not the most democratic place...you know very little about Gaza, my friend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1M4eH9Kk7I

and if anyone thinks Gazans are starving:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/news.aspx/137927

Apparently they are so stocked in supplies, that they are refusing the flotilla aid supplies.
Do you honnestly think i will consider truthful a site that is called israelnationalnews.com?
So all the UN and outsiders that have been in Gazza are falsely claiming there is shortage of everything for the vast majority of people leaving there?
Come on man be realistic!
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Old 06-11-2010, 12:54 AM   #92
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Wink Back 2 beamers...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/10280901.stm
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Now that is cool!
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Old 06-11-2010, 11:39 AM   #94
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leaked footage of the attack

Israeli Attack on the Mavi Marmara, May 31st 2010 // 15 min. from Cultures of Resistance on Vimeo.



Gaza Freedom Flotilla Participants from Cultures of Resistance on Vimeo.

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Old 06-11-2010, 02:31 PM   #95
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Poor people!
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Old 06-17-2010, 02:32 AM   #96
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Gaza Flotilla: The Battle for Public Opinion Continues...

Still more evidence emerges of the violent intentions of those behind the Gaza flotilla.
Yet Israel continues to be tried in the court of international public opinion.

With the possibility of Iranian and Lebanese flotillas attempting to break the blockade of Gaza, it appears that Israel's enemies are queuing up to stoke the flames of the recent Gaza flotilla crisis.
There are still some in the media who choose to ignore the steady flow of evidence clearly showing that the members of the Turkish extremist IHH were certainly not motivated by humanitarian concerns.

See ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHtcy...ayer_embedded#!
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Old 06-17-2010, 03:41 AM   #97
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Still more evidence emerges of the violent intentions of those behind the Gaza flotilla.
Yet Israel continues to be tried in the court of international public opinion.

With the possibility of Iranian and Lebanese flotillas attempting to break the blockade of Gaza, it appears that Israel's enemies are queuing up to stoke the flames of the recent Gaza flotilla crisis.
There are still some in the media who choose to ignore the steady flow of evidence clearly showing that the members of the Turkish extremist IHH were certainly not motivated by humanitarian concerns.

See ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHtcy...ayer_embedded#!
Every side has their own video to preview to the world. You come to my house with a gun and i have nothing better than a knife or metal club then thats what your going to get. What were they expecting landing with full war gear against a ship crew. I did not see one gun in between all these weapons used. Why dont they stack all of the Israelis weapons they came in with and show it as well. Cut the crap man the whole world knows the truth what happened that day. Bet if you had a family member on that ship you would understand and look at things from a different prospective.

If not this summer then the next one, only one side will remain standing.
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Old 06-17-2010, 08:26 AM   #98
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Still more evidence emerges of the violent intentions of those behind the Gaza flotilla.
Yet Israel continues to be tried in the court of international public opinion.

With the possibility of Iranian and Lebanese flotillas attempting to break the blockade of Gaza, it appears that Israel's enemies are queuing up to stoke the flames of the recent Gaza flotilla crisis.
There are still some in the media who choose to ignore the steady flow of evidence clearly showing that the members of the Turkish extremist IHH were certainly not motivated by humanitarian concerns.

See ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHtcy...ayer_embedded#!
WOW! .. what a complete BS video .. I cant believe your so ignorant.
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Old 06-17-2010, 08:39 AM   #99
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WOW! .. what a complete BS video .. I cant believe your so ignorant.
Funny.....even live footage...is dismissed as all BS (except for the ooh sooo credible Arab news media).
I guess, that's the only excuse left, when the footage shows otherwise.

Here is a major German TV network for you:

See ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbCGe...layer_embedded

Germans are the last people to side with Israel, yet even they are calling it what it is.
All 5 other boats surendered peacefully.
What happened on the sixth boat was pure provocation, to serve as a media stunt.
The media is using these fools.....first siding with the poor so called peace activist...then airing the truth about their terrorist ties/intentions.
At the end of the day, no one forced these people onto the boats and the same would have happened if they tried this stunt approaching Canadian waters.
Who would let this ship in without a search? Turkey? Greece? Iran? Syria? Saudi Arabia? Germany? Spain? UK? Nobody.
And if that is also BS.....then I suggest to lease a boat w/ the help of some organizations w/ proven terrorist ties and set sail for any country of your choice.
You'll be lucky, if you don't get your asses torpedoed out of the water.

BTW.....Helsinki Principles on the Law of Maritime Neutrality (International law) supports the interception of a vessel in neutral waters if that vessel's destination is confirmed to be blockaded.
(In fact, the interception MUST take place in international waters and NOT in territorial waters)

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Old 06-17-2010, 10:58 AM   #101
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Every side has their own video to preview to the world. You come to my house with a gun and i have nothing better than a knife or metal club then thats what your going to get. What were they expecting landing with full war gear against a ship crew. I did not see one gun in between all these weapons used. Why dont they stack all of the Israelis weapons they came in with and show it as well. Cut the crap man the whole world knows the truth what happened that day. Bet if you had a family member on that ship you would understand and look at things from a different prospective.

If not this summer then the next one, only one side will remain standing.
This isn't really a good metaphor because Israel didn't go to other countries and attack anyone, the boats came to Israel and tried to break down Israel's door with knives and clubs. Plus there were only a few Israelis with guns compared to hundreds of terrorists, oops sorry aid activists, with weapons. So the proper description is if a mob of hundreds is on your lawn with knives and clubs, and you're concerned about your safety and have a gun, shouldn't you be allowed to use it??

PS Do all you guys really believe this "by next summer Israel will be destroyed" nonsense you spout?? They've been attacked MULTIPLE times by many Arab nations simultaneously, and tiny Israel has bitch slapped them all every time.
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This isn't really a good metaphor because Israel didn't go to other countries and attack anyone, the boats came to Israel and tried to break down Israel's door with knives and clubs. Plus there were only a few Israelis with guns compared to hundreds of terrorists, oops sorry aid activists, with weapons. So the proper description is if a mob of hundreds is on your lawn with knives and clubs, and you're concerned about your safety and have a gun, shouldn't you be allowed to use it??

PS Do all you guys really believe this "by next summer Israel will be destroyed" nonsense you spout?? They've been attacked MULTIPLE times by many Arab nations simultaneously, and tiny Israel has bitch slapped them all every time.
Go back to 2006, when Israel itself declared defeat and loss. Your like a little kid talking crap just to be the Jew hero. Dont just throw words arounds to make a point. There is a reason why the world has a problem with Israel.

"This isn't really a good metaphor because Israel didn't go to other countries and attack anyone"..... Right considering the fact that Israel is suppose to be there from day one right. They never occupied the land they are in right now.
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Old 06-17-2010, 12:57 PM   #103
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This isn't really a good metaphor because Israel didn't go to other countries and attack anyone, the boats came to Israel and tried to break down Israel's door with knives and clubs. Plus there were only a few Israelis with guns compared to hundreds of terrorists, oops sorry aid activists, with weapons. So the proper description is if a mob of hundreds is on your lawn with knives and clubs, and you're concerned about your safety and have a gun, shouldn't you be allowed to use it??

PS Do all you guys really believe this "by next summer Israel will be destroyed" nonsense you spout?? They've been attacked MULTIPLE times by many Arab nations simultaneously, and tiny Israel has bitch slapped them all every time.
I wouldnt call trying to bring aid through an attempt to break down Israels door!
And the Marmara was the first boat to be boarded in case you forget.
Plus the what you call a few weapons? Helicopter gunships and naval frgats are a few guns? Just one of the helicopters would kill all boats. Come on man. you seem like a logical person. Admit it this was a damn stupid move by Israel.
They could have escorted the boats and monitor when they bring down the staff and no1 would say a word! Instead they chose to do it the Israeli way!
And another thing.....in the begining of this Israel claimed there were ammo and stuff that could be used as weapons against them on the ships and were transfered for the Gazans.
I dont see any evidence comming up now! Or are chairs and sticks clasified as terrorist weapons?
Its exactly the same story as the WOMD that USA claimed Iraq had! All words no proof! Yet they dont admit they made a mistake!
I am nor pro or anti Israely but i have to say Israel is pushing its self closer and closer to serious problems!
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Go back to 2006, when Israel itself declared defeat and loss. Your like a little kid talking crap just to be the Jew hero. Dont just throw words arounds to make a point. There is a reason why the world has a problem with Israel.

"This isn't really a good metaphor because Israel didn't go to other countries and attack anyone"..... Right considering the fact that Israel is suppose to be there from day one right. They never occupied the land they are in right now.
1) Don't agree; what exactly has Israel lost ?
Since Southern Lebanon was pounded, the situation in Northern Israel has been relatively quit.
Israel fought smartly, because it didn't want to be drawn into hand to hand combat with an opponent that hides behind skirts and uses children as shields.
"Yes", Lebanon suffered civilian casualties (like in any war), but that's what you get when you harbour Iranian supported terrorist.
This has been playing itself out on a 10 year cycle, so no-one cares anymore.

2a) Please tell me where were all the so called palestinians of today during the reign of David and Solomon or during the time of Jesus or Maccabean revolt or the Bar kochba revolt?
There were a people called Palestinians in majority, which are completely unrelated to today's palestinians, who only in modern times adopted that same name.

2b) Occupied is the wrong word to use.
Israel unilaterally pulled out of Gaza, long ago, in the hopes that a Palestinian state could be peacefully established.
Hamas (with Iran's help) screwed that up.
Furthermore, when the West Bank citizens have choosen the path to peace (though a slow one), Hamas has resorted to fighting its on brethern.

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Old 06-17-2010, 01:57 PM   #105
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Funny.....even live footage...is dismissed as all BS (except for the ooh sooo credible Arab news media).
I guess, that's the only excuse left, when the footage shows otherwise.

Here is a major German TV network for you:

See ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbCGe...layer_embedded

Germans are the last people to side with Israel, yet even they are calling it what it is.
All 5 other boats surendered peacefully.
What happened on the sixth boat was pure provocation, to serve as a media stunt.
The media is using these fools.....first siding with the poor so called peace activist...then airing the truth about their terrorist ties/intentions.
At the end of the day, no one forced these people onto the boats and the same would have happened if they tried this stunt approaching Canadian waters.
Who would let this ship in without a search? Turkey? Greece? Iran? Syria? Saudi Arabia? Germany? Spain? UK? Nobody.
And if that is also BS.....then I suggest to lease a boat w/ the help of some organizations w/ proven terrorist ties and set sail for any country of your choice.
You'll be lucky, if you don't get your asses torpedoed out of the water.

BTW.....Helsinki Principles on the Law of Maritime Neutrality (International law) supports the interception of a vessel in neutral waters if that vessel's destination is confirmed to be blockaded.
(In fact, the interception MUST take place in international waters and NOT in territorial waters)
No .. The difference is that a coast guard would not fire first and ask questions later. Also if any soldier of any country boarded a ship they wouldnt just let them selves be beaten by sticks so easy as portrayed in your video. Think about it .. like really think about .. if you were one of those soldiers with a gun .. would you let activists just beat you??



stop joining the german bandwagon .. they were wrong once and im not surprise you and they are again .. history repeats itself right?
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