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Old 06-08-2010, 02:09 PM   #76
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you must not be gentile
The German in me, is a little sensitive to crap like this (though I did find it funny).

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Old 06-08-2010, 09:50 PM   #77
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Israel has a long history of 'over reacting' to threats.
It is no secret that their treatment of the Palestinian people is far from graceful, and at times borders on inhumane.
Over 20 000 Palestinian homes have been demolished due to Israel.[1]
Several thousand Palestinians have been killed due to Israel. [1][2][3][4]
Israel soldiers take pot shots, beat and humiliate Palestinians on a daily basis.
Notice I am saying 'Palestinian' and not 'Hamas'.
This is well documented and you have literally dozens of videos on youtube showing this.[5][6][7]

The Gaza flotilla refused to comply with Israel for whatever reason. Perhaps Israel had no right to demand for the flotilla to turn back?
Israel then decided to board the ships, against the wishes of those on board, in international waters.[8]:
Last I checked, Israel doesn't own Gaza.[9]
So how are they justified in invading a flotilla in international waters of a group of aid workers going to a country they [Israelis] do not legally own?[10]
How would you react if you saw a commando boarding the ship you were on, fully armed and ready? At that point, I would think you'd have grounds for believing they are there to kick some ***. Would you try to defend yourself, or just let them take over?

This is akin to an intruder breaking into your peaceful, quiet house and once you fight back, you are reprimanded/sued for not complying.

Is there something I am missing or do not know?
While I am playing devil's advocate, I honestly do not see how Israel was justified in any way.


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[1]::http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html
[2]:http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article3416.shtml
[3]:http://www.mepc.org/resources/mrates.asp
[4]:http://www.btselem.org/english/stati...casualties.asp
[5]:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8ST5m9pREQ
[6]:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU
[7]:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW1-_...eature=related
[8]:http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/...ex.html?hpt=T2
[9]:http://books.google.com/books?id=DWh...page&q&f=false
[10]:http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/...2560D600471E25
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Old 06-08-2010, 11:47 PM   #78
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Lightbulb Interesting footage...

This is what the extremist in the sixth boat could have been defending...

Hidden behind the rice ~> http://www.flix.co.il/tapuz/showVideo.asp?m=3423928

There is some dispute around the production date of this footage, as it might have been from a previous boat that was intercepted in 2009.

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Old 06-09-2010, 01:01 AM   #79
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This is what the extremist in the sixth boat could have been defending...

Hidden behind the rice ~> http://www.flix.co.il/tapuz/showVideo.asp?m=3423928

There is some dispute around the production date of this footage, as it might have been from a previous boat that was intercepted in 2009.
I would dispute that this could have been taken from 1990 for all we know. There's no dates listen and nothing to show on any ammo container what dates of production. I've copied and pasted my info from someone else on Army.ca forum, where this topic should be discussed because it is closely monitored by Major's and higher ranking people within the Canadian Forces and no racism but only facts with links are posted. Personally I think a mod should close this topic and leave it for other forums to discuss as this is a car forum. Things like this can get you on the watch list for possible terrorism just by saying the wrong things. Don't forget that the RCMP and CF both have the right to ghost over anything terror related and things like this do spread quickly.. so be careful or you might get a visit ^_^
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Old 06-09-2010, 06:57 AM   #80
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How does this thread continue to stay open?

About a 2 or 3 months ago I posted a story about a teenager dying when her hijab got caught in a go-kart and it got pulled, and some years ago my post on Muslim Jeans gets pulled, (both were just general interest) but this stays.

Here's a flashback to some of the stories in case you want to have a look:

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...-5-2006_pg11_7


http://network.nationalpost.com/NP/b...rt-report.aspx
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Old 06-09-2010, 07:17 AM   #81
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The government manipulate data and lie about pictures but they forget about the EXIF .. it tells the truth

http://www.politicaltheatrics.net/2010/06/the-gaza-flotilla-how-israel%E2%80%99s-ministry-of-foreign-affairs-fakes-photos-of-seized-weapons/
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Old 06-09-2010, 08:15 AM   #82
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How does this thread continue to stay open?

About a 2 or 3 months ago I posted a story about a teenager dying when her hijab got caught in a go-kart and it got pulled, and some years ago my post on Muslim Jeans gets pulled, (both were just general interest) but this stays.

Here's a flashback to some of the stories in case you want to have a look:

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...-5-2006_pg11_7


http://network.nationalpost.com/NP/b...rt-report.aspx
I would think it is still going cause no1 so far has insulted anyones race or religion.
We are just discussing facts.
I agree with the admins that when a race,religion etc is offended then threads should close. But so far everyone in here have been great at discussing the matter in an open conversation and quite civilized, and have to admit this is a rare sight in max! Well done to all of us!!!!!
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I would think it is still going cause no1 so far has insulted anyones race or religion.
We are just discussing facts.
I agree with the admins that when a race,religion etc is offended then threads should close. But so far everyone in here have been great at discussing the matter in an open conversation and quite civilized, and have to admit this is a rare sight in max! Well done to all of us!!!!!
I don't think anyone's race or religion was offended by my posts. Did you see the original ones? Sometimes I just post what is interesting info I find in the mainstream news and if it is OK for them, it should be OK here.
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Old 06-09-2010, 01:19 PM   #84
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I don't think anyone's race or religion was offended by my posts. Did you see the original ones? Sometimes I just post what is interesting info I find in the mainstream news and if it is OK for them, it should be OK here.
I did not mean your comments alone.
I meant in general.
To be honnest i dont remember what your thread was about. Just made a general observation or assumption.
By no means though did i mean you.
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Reuters Turkey office caught w/ its pants down...

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The government manipulate data and lie about pictures but they forget about the EXIF .. it tells the truth
Just like this one:

http://www.honestreporting.com/artic...ught_Again.asp


When caught......they claim "Ooops"...just an error ~> http://www.journalism.co.uk/2/articles/539057.php

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Old 06-10-2010, 11:31 AM   #86
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blacked out - not covered but: demonstrations Against Fascism all around Israel



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blacked out - not covered but: demonstrations Against Fascism all around Israel



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Good post!!!
I salute these people!!!!!!!
A voice of sanity finaly from Israel!
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Where are these voices in Gaza ?

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Good post!!!
I salute these people!!!!!!!
A voice of sanity finaly from Israel!
Good post.....shows democracy live and vibrant w/in Israel...in Gaza one would get for expressing such an alternative opinion.
Therefor, no voice of peace coming from Gaza and no-one to negotiate peace with.
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Good post.....shows democracy live and vibrant w/in Israel...in Gaza one would get for expressing such an alternative opinion.
Therefor, no voice of peace coming from Gaza and no-one to negotiate peace with.
That is BS......show us proof or just dont make assumptions!
Sorry but i doubt what you are saying. Not saying Gazza is the most democratic place but people speak their voices too!
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That is BS......show us proof or just dont make assumptions!
Sorry but i doubt what you are saying. Not saying Gazza is the most democratic place but people speak their voices too!
Let's get real....not the most democratic place...you know very little about Gaza, my friend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1M4eH9Kk7I

and if anyone thinks Gazans are starving:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/news.aspx/137927

Apparently they are so stocked in supplies, that they are refusing the flotilla aid supplies.

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