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Old 05-21-2010, 08:44 PM   #31
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They both measure how much are goes into your engine. You only need one. The MAF is better thats why people want to convert to a MAF set-up.
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Old 05-21-2010, 08:47 PM   #32
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Oh ok, thanks for clarification! I actually like the sound of my AFM though. Sounds mean.
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Old 05-21-2010, 09:38 PM   #33
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I love my Miller MAF, makes the intake note so loud and deep. If you think the AFM sounds mean with an open element filter then you'll love the MAF.

heres a quick vid I made the day I install the miller MAF, I had an exhaust leak so excuse the ticking.
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Old 05-21-2010, 09:54 PM   #34
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I love my Miller MAF, makes the intake note so loud and deep. If you think the AFM sounds mean with an open element filter then you'll love the MAF.

heres a quick vid I made the day I install the miller MAF, I had an exhaust leak so excuse the ticking.
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Old 05-21-2010, 10:54 PM   #35
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I love my Miller MAF, makes the intake note so loud and deep. If you think the AFM sounds mean with an open element filter then you'll love the MAF.

heres a quick vid I made the day I install the miller MAF, I had an exhaust leak so excuse the ticking.
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So you signed up just to try and sell us the miller MAF....

I haven't experienced or tried out the Miller MAF product so I'm not going to pass judgement on it. What I do know is that you told me that installing an M30 AFM on my car would make lean out and run horrible, even with 19lb injectors, and that I would get check engine lights all the time and that the bottom end would bog.

You also told me not to buy MarkD's chip because it's too expensive and that the improvement was so slight that you couldn't notice it after day 1.

You then proceeded to tell me to buy the Miller MAF set-up because of how good it is.

Well I went ahead and installed the AFM and 19lb injectors anyways along with a wideband o2 sensor with the intentions of getting a MarkD chip. My car has been running sound for several months, never leaning out, not giving me a check engine light, not bogging, and it revs up slightly better on the top end now.

After having spoken with Mark himself and seeing how his software has transformed other cars, such as my fathers E39 M5, I can say without hesitation that MarkD's product is legit and worth the money.

As I said before I'm not saying that the Miller MAF is a bad product... it might be great..... but I'm definitely not going to take your word for it.
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Old 05-21-2010, 11:04 PM   #36
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So you signed up just to try and sell us the miller MAF....

I haven't experienced or tried out the Miller MAF product so I'm not going to pass judgement on it. What I do know is that you told me that installing an M30 AFM on my car would make lean out and run horrible, even with 19lb injectors, and that I would get check engine lights all the time and that the bottom end would bog.

You also told me not to buy MarkD's chip because it's too expensive and that the improvement was so slight that you couldn't notice it after day 1.

You then proceeded to tell me to buy the Miller MAF set-up because of how good it is.

Well I went ahead and installed the AFM and 19lb injectors anyways along with a wideband o2 sensor with the intentions of getting a MarkD chip. My car has been running sound for several months, never leaning out, not giving me a check engine light, not bogging, and it revs up slightly better on the top end now.

After having spoken with Mark himself and seeing how his software has transformed other cars, such as my fathers E39 M5, I can say without hesitation that MarkD's product is legit and worth the money.

As I said before I'm not saying that the Miller MAF is a bad product... it might be great..... but I'm definitely not going to take your word for it.
I have no connection with Miller, I was just on google and came across this thread so I thought I would give my 2cents.

I never told anybody not to buy something. I loved my Mark D chips and would of kept them but I decided to get rid of my AFM and am happy that I did. My ECU was constantly detuning my car with the M30 AFM and 19lb'ers. I went through 2 Mark D chips trying to find a chip that worked well for my application. I then moved on to different options to try to gain more bottom end power. In MY experience the M30 AFM is garbage because I had to always make a sacrifice to gain something.

EDIT: I just went back and read the PM I sent you and I NEVER told you NOT to buy the Mark D chip, I never even told you to buy the Miller MAF, I simply shared my experience with each product because I have actually tried them...
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Old 05-22-2010, 01:50 PM   #37
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Old 05-22-2010, 02:33 PM   #38
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EDIT: I just went back and read the PM I sent you and I NEVER told you NOT to buy the Mark D chip, I never even told you to buy the Miller MAF, I simply shared my experience with each product because I have actually tried them...
You're right you never blatantly told me to buy or not buy anything. You just told me that an M30 AFM and 19lb injectors don't work, that Mark's chip was too expensive, and that for a little more money I could get a MAF set-up instead. I'm sure you can see how I though you were implying to buy one product over the other.

I'm sorry for putting words in your mouth.
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Old 05-22-2010, 02:58 PM   #39
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You're right you never blatantly told me to buy or not buy anything. You just told me that an M30 AFM and 19lb injectors don't work, that Mark's chip was too expensive, and that for a little more money I could get a MAF set-up instead. I'm sure you can see how I though you were implying to buy one product over the other.

I'm sorry for putting words in your mouth.
You asked for my opinion and I gave it to you. The M30 AFM ran poorly in MY car after my ECU adjusted to it. I could reset my ECU and instantly gain power back. It not some myth that the maf conversion w/ maf chip is only $74 more than a performance chip.

On a different note I would buy a Mark D MAF conversion if it was priced competitively, Mark puts a lot of work into his chips and backs up his claims.
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Old 05-25-2010, 12:43 AM   #40
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Old 05-26-2010, 03:48 PM   #41
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So, who can lend his car to Mark?
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Old 05-26-2010, 04:05 PM   #42
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#1 this is my thread dammit! lol

#2 the Miller Maf kit works as intended/described.

#3 I don't mind the hijack, it's what's good for the e30 community that counts!

One Note about the chip/MAF. After disconnecting the battery, it seems to take little while to learn proper idle speed. I notice that it seems to idle high 1000 - 1200 for a day (2 - 4 starts) then it eventually begins to slow down.

Not 100% sure if this is the MAF setup or possibly something else. In any case it's not a big deal, happy with the kit.

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Old 05-26-2010, 06:07 PM   #43
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One Note about the chip/MAF. After disconnecting the battery, it seems to take little while to learn proper idle speed. I notice that it seems to idle high 1000 - 1200 for a day (2 - 4 starts) then it eventually begins to slow down.

Not 100% sure if this is the MAF setup or possibly something else. In any case it's not a big deal, happy with the kit.

Later Guys!
Whats funny is, my car does the exact same. Takes it forever to learn how to idle after battery/DME has been reset. I thought only my car had that problem...
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Old 06-01-2010, 10:34 AM   #44
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Okay did a nice long drive to Brantford on the back highways. Averaged about 6.4L/100. Average speed was probably 90.

I could get that lower, I had some fun and wasted a bit of gas a few times here and there.
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Old 06-01-2010, 11:04 AM   #45
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Okay did a nice long drive to Brantford on the back highways. Averaged about 6.4L/100. Average speed was probably 90.

I could get that lower, I had some fun and wasted a bit of gas a few times here and there.
That's really good (~37MPG)
I need to try doing that once, I'm always ripping in my car and average around 10L/100km (~24MPG), it'd be nice to see what I can get if I drive conservatively, just that I don't really get the opportunity since I'm usually either sitting in traffic, or flying by idiots who are parked in the left lane
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