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Old 03-02-2010, 03:40 PM   #16
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this was brought up here in 2008, read for lols.


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lets not start this again
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Old 03-02-2010, 04:19 PM   #17
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Old 03-02-2010, 09:54 PM   #18
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are you a commie?
Communism is long dead and this is no United Scam Artists. I see greedy capitalism as much worse than socialism.
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Old 03-02-2010, 10:13 PM   #19
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Communism is long dead and this is no United Scam Artists. I see greedy capitalism as much worse than socialism.

Socialism is just like capitalism. But you are just giving one person all the power.

With power comes greed. No matter how Jesus like the ruler maybe.
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Old 03-03-2010, 03:40 PM   #20
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this was brought up here in 2008, read for lols.


http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/show...light=flouride
there were a lot of good threads back then....remember the "doing a loop on a swing" thread. that was great.

anyways, there is so much that can cause global warming that people can't even think of. every time a piece of land is moved (not talking about a shovel load) and every time a new high rise is built, weather can change because of it. put millions of people in 1 area and tons of heat and co2 will be generated.

as for population control, you got your sanitizing freaks that ever germ must be eliminated and every cough need a medicine, and you have people who take a natural approach to it. cough in arm and let the cold pass by. drink tea and such.
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sigh.. really, floridation? lol.

the guy is talking about airborn fluoride pollution, and the stuff you get in water, and trying to link them?

alot of people dont realize that the toxicity of said chemicals can be removed by linking it to something else, or being exposed to it in a different manner.
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Negative Effects of Fluoridation


After reviewing the positive effects of fluoridation, I will now present the opposing side.

The main problem associated with fluoridation is over-fluoridation. When kids come into contact with fluorine when their permanent teeth are forming, they may develop dental fluorisis. The teeth will result in white or brown stains, affecting the look, but not the function of the teeth. If fluorine continues to contact the teeth in high amounts, the tooth enamel may be hindered, making the teeth become sensitive and more difficult to chew. The levels of fluorine that cause dental fluorisis is rather large, and controlling the amount for fluorine your child come into contact with can easily be prevented. Not allowing your child to brush with toothpaste containing fluorine and keeping them away from mouth washes containing fluoride can reduce the risk of forming dental fluorisis. When your child reaches the age of six or seven, the stage of formation of their teeth is usually reached and the risk is again greatly reduced of over-fluorinating their teeth.

The result of long-term subjection to high levels of fluorine in adults may lead to skeletal fluorisis. Skeletal fluorisis is when the bones get denser and become more brittle, or easier to break. This disease is progressive, so it can start off with minor effects and can result in a more serious form. The people suffering from mild forms of skeletal fluorisis may only have stiff joints and in more severe cases can lead to deformed bones or increased risk of breaking bones. This seems to be a greater risk for elderly people who are already suffering from brittle bones or osteoporosis. Is it necessary to risk injury to the elderly who are already weak, to reduce the number of cavities formed in children?


Information provided by It's Your Health.


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Fluoride: A Pain in the Neck - Case Report

New York – October 12, 2006 -- A 52-year-old American man’s arthritic-like joint pain and immobility went away after he stopped brushing his teeth with fluoridated toothpaste, according to a new study in the Journal of Bone and Mineral Research(1).

There’s no scientific dispute that large fluoride doses cause crippling skeletal fluorosis over time. (See. http://www.nalgonda.org) But, “less well-known causes of chronic fluoride toxicity include fluoride supplements, certain teas and wine and some toothpastes,” report researchers Kurland, et al.(1)


Skeletal fluorosis often results in abnormal bone hardening and thickening (osteosclerosis) with painful and impaired neck and spine mobility, spine curvature, and/or painful lower extremities ultimately causing crippling and incapacitation, report the researchers.


Fluoride at any level accumulates in the body,” says Paul Beeber, President, New York State Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation. “So even water fluoridation will cause arthritic-like symptoms in susceptible individuals which is compounded by U.S. physicians’ and dentists' lack of training to diagnose fluoride toxicity.”

In this case, the only obvious fluoride exposure was toothpaste. The patient drank no fluoridated water, tea or wine; had no occupational fluoride exposure; did not chew tobacco, inhale snuff, cook with Teflon pots, use fluoridated mouthwash or get fluoride treatments at twice-yearly dentist visits. But he brushed before and after all meals (minimum 6 times daily) with fluoridated toothpaste.

Fluoride was elevated in his serum, urine and iliac crest (bone), the researchers report.

Within 8 months of eliminating all obvious fluoride sources, the patient’s urinary and blood fluoride levels dropped and bone function markers showed clear cut improvement, the researchers report.

“By approximately two years after diagnosis and apparent elimination of excess fluoride exposure, the patient had complete resolution of his neck immobility and no longer required analgesics,” the researchers write.

Roos, et al. documents a woman whose painful swollen fingers healed after she ceased eating fluoridated toothpaste.(2)

Whyte, et al. report a woman’s fluoride-caused debilitating joint pains disappeared when her two-gallon-a-day iced tea habit stopped.(3)

Eichmiller, et al. report a patient’s leg and joint pains from a dentist-prescribed high-concentration fluoride product.(4)


We know US schoolchildren are fluoride-overdosed(5). What’s it doing to their bones?” asks Beeber.

More about skeletal fluorosis: http://www.fluoridealert.org/s-fluorosis.htm

and arthritis http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/...sis/arthritis/



References:
1) Recovery From Skeletal Fluorosis (An Enigmatic, American Case). Journal of Bone Mineral Research. October 2, 2006, by Kurland, et a.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum
(2) Osteofluorosis caused by excess use of toothpaste, Presse Med, 34:1518-20, by Roos et al November 2005
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum
(3) Environ Health Perspect. 2005 August; 113(8): “Food Safety: A Tea-Time Mystery,” by Michael Szpir
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=1280381
(4) Journal of the American Dental Association, "Controlling the
fluoride dosage in a patient with compromised salivary function,"
Frederick C. Eichmiller, D.D.S.; Naomi Eidelman, Ph.D.; Clifton M.
Carey, PhD., Vol. 136, page 67 -70, January 2005
http://jada.ada.org/cgi/content/full/136/1/67
NYSCOF News Release: http://tinyurl.com/mbrmd
(5) NYSCOF News release http://tinyurl.com/mbrmd about
U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. National Center for
Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion Office of
Communication, 8/25/05
http://www.cdc.gov/od/oc/media/pressrel/r050825.htm




Fluoridation 101

http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof


Fluoridation News Releases
http://tinyurl.com/6kqtu


Tooth Decay Crises in Fluoridated Areas

http://www.fluoridenews.blogspot.com/



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Friday, February 12, 2010

Children's Dental Health
http://www.pewtrusts.org/our_work_detail.aspx?id=574

After 65 years of water fluoridtion in the US: "The problems affecting children’s dental health are severe."




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Boston is fluoridated: "We see young children every day at Children’s Hospital Boston with pain and infection from untreated early childhood tooth decay. Children as young as 2 commonly present with eight or more cavities



Calgary's (Alberta, Canada) water is fluoridated: "A University of Calgary health care economist says treating tooth decay in children under the age of five is becoming a significant drain on the medical system


In Connecticut, fluoridation is state-mandated: "A 2007 survey of Connecticut schoolchildren found that 31% of children in Head Start aged 2-4 have already experienced tooth decay and that 14% of those children had 5 or more teeth decayed or missing from decay


http://www.fluoridenews.blogspot.com/



http://www.fluoridefreewater.ie/health.php
so there you go 65+ years of data - kids still have rotting teeth! its a poison and its in our water.
but carry on
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Carbon dioxide could be good for the environment

http://legis.state.sd.us/sessions/20...e=HCR1009P.htm

If you ask any scientist he will tell you everything on earth can be broken down to the smallest element and you will find traces of carbon in it. I kind of believe this article in some ways.
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so there you go 65+ years of data - kids still have rotting teeth! its a poison and its in our water.
but carry on


Im to lazy to read too much into this because quite frankly I dont have the time.

The fact is, all water from the tap is fluoridated. Everyone in North America drinks water with fluoride in it. When you brush your teeth, there is fluoride in the toothpaste.

So really I dont see how your basing your 65 years of stats and saying tooth decay still exists.

of course it does. Cavities still exist too. People still have problems with their teeth and people still dont practice proper dental hygene.

Fluoride wasn't the final sollution, you still need to take care of your teeth.

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And your post goes on and on about over exposure to floride. Which, in a normal enviroment, that doesn't usualy occur and is very rare. so really I dont know what youre going on about floride for.
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