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Old 12-22-2009, 08:30 PM   #1
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2000 M5 vs E36 M3

hey guy's this is my first post in the 5 series section.

Now down to business, I wanted to know if an E39 M5 was well worth it compared to to E36 M3. They are much more expensive but is that 400hp well worth it? My E36 is pretty reliable with some care and was woundering if they M5 is about the same or am I looking at much love and $$$ when it comes down to repares and maintenance. I ask because I found a 2000 and 01 M5 with all the options possible on both for 19,000$ and 20,500$ they have 110kms and 125kms.

thanks for the help.
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Old 12-22-2009, 10:45 PM   #2
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A BMW can be expensive to maintain regardless of model if you don't have your wits about them, Also compare apples with apples, e36 m3 to 39 m5 completely different cars, I will never drive a 3 or 7 series after driving a 5 series BMW that’s my choice, I think it all boils down to maintenance cam sensors, vanos and fluid leaks just to name a few. Just research the most common problems with the 39 M5, I can tell you one thing the BEAST gets a lot of respect, Oh and if gas is an issue you might not be happy with e39 M5, It wants to be driven Hard all the time! Anyways good luck with you purchase,

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Old 12-22-2009, 11:24 PM   #3
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I would take the E39 M5.

Of course, in my mind, the E36 would seem to be easier to maintain and more bulletproof.
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Old 12-23-2009, 01:22 AM   #4
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The e36 M3 is a car that you can definitely work on yourself whereas the M5 is much more complicated. I have found that there seems to be much less in terms of literature regarding repairs for the M5 as opposed to the M3. The insurance is half as much for the M3. The M5 uses about as much gas as a truck. The e36 M3 is relatively fuel efficient. Parts are much cheaper for the M3 and are more readily found used if that is sufficient. You have to be aware of any possible problems with the vanos. That is a very expensive repair. Also be aware that any M5's built before March of 2000 have a different set of piston rings which causes more oil consumption (10W60). Most guys that own an M5 are afraid to work on them themselves because of the possibility that they might f'k it up.

The M5 is a totally different animal from the e36 M3. It's as smooth as any luxury car out there but you can rip it up and turn it into a beast at any time. There's power to spare in every gear. It pulls and pulls... The e36 M3 is alot of fun and has a great amount of power as well.
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Old 12-23-2009, 01:35 AM   #5
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hey thanks guys for the good info since as you said not much to read out there. I love my M3 but still alot of posers out there with them...

the bigger and and more confortable M5 might suit me just fine. As for the before march 2000 issue I will check it out for sure.
Is the vanos a commun issue and what fails about it if so?


Also compare apples with apples, e36 m3 to 39 m5 completely different cars

This I know but was trying to get info regarding my status.
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Old 12-23-2009, 02:00 AM   #6
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The vanos was a common issue. It was covered under warranty and was replaced with an updated vanos. The cover of the updated vanos (one for each bank of cylinders) has a hex headed screw in the middle of it. You would be able to see them (each vanos cover) with the hood of the car open. Check realoem.com for the cover I'm referring to. Also, I would recommend one of those peake code readers.
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Old 12-23-2009, 02:16 AM   #7
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ok thanks I will check it out
I do have the peak code reader just have to get the plug adaptor for newer cars since mine is the 20 pin
I will check the car out after Xmas and tell you what I have found for carfax and maintenace done to it since owner had the car. He claims that the oil is always top between changes ( so he says ). via the dealer and vin I will be able to see what they have done to it (recalls and stuff )

this should cover pretty much a good first check up then drive it on nice weather ( I'm in Qc )
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Old 12-23-2009, 09:40 AM   #8
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I work on my e39 M5 Myself just as I worked on my 86,325,- 91,735,- 91, e34. As for oil consumption, I think a good place to start is the rocker cover gaskets. I have been driving with my coils covers off for 2 mths. now, and notice oil filling up in the area where the spark plug is. When I drive hard the oil gets blown out the exhaust, (spark plug boots) and I can pretty much compare the consumption amount, to the amount leaking out of the rocker cover gasket. I sometimes suck it out with a syringe and it pretty much matches what I top up with. (I will be busy this summer).
Vanos issues could just be bad cam sensors.
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Old 12-23-2009, 11:49 AM   #9
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Best thing to do is get a mechanic to check it out before purchasing, all cars have been treated differently, there are always exceptions.

Last thing you want is to be buying a lemon
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Old 12-23-2009, 03:12 PM   #10
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I would get the M3. I have read about too many expensive E39 M5 problems:
(1) Vanos
(2) Carbon build up causing knocking
(3) Secondary air flow too low due to blocked passages in the cylinder head. very $$$ to fix

PLUS you have to deal with all the usual E39 issues...
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Old 12-23-2009, 03:21 PM   #11
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The only good E39 M5 are the late model ones with low miles that have been taken care of recals and what not. Even that can be a gamble.
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Old 12-23-2009, 03:51 PM   #12
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e36 M3 over e39 m5? If you had a choice, you would choose the e36 M3 I'd pay $$$ to see that. e39 M5 VS the e90 M3 then we have a debate sometimes this forum makes me hate BMW's

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Old 12-23-2009, 05:46 PM   #13
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lol thanks again guys

BTW I'm not looking for a e36 M3 I drive one I just woundered about the M5 most of you had or are having problems I might just stay far from them since mine is mint..

thanks to all
merry X-mas
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Old 12-23-2009, 06:37 PM   #14
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Old 12-23-2009, 09:41 PM   #15
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Any car is gonna give you headaches if you don't look after it properly. As for the M5, to give you an example, the front brake rotors are almost 400$ each. Get the 2003 model if u want it to be somewhat reliable.
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