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Old 10-21-2009, 05:18 PM   #46
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so glad to see no one else takes their flue shots cuz now i dont think im the only one anymore
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Old 10-21-2009, 06:04 PM   #47
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i did. ok so 'im no one don't listen to me, listen to experts' is the main theme,
and here we are on a discussion forum bunch of 'no ones' yakn yet we're on pg3

i referenced the 3:10 mark cause she starts talking about 1 year 10 vaccines, next year 26 vaccines , no killer plauge reported. they alll have mercury for shelf life, it adds up to alot especially in a small child.
This just proves that you didn't watch the video
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Old 10-21-2009, 06:20 PM   #48
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I remember when my son had his vaccination against German measles...

2 days later, he breaks out with it...

I don't think he has had any vaccinations in like 2 years now, and he is 5 now.. He has the major ones, but he is due for a lot of them judging by his little booklet provided by the province of Ontario and his pediatrician. Healthy as a horse.

I'm not concerned about it... I don't remember having any vacinnations when i was his age, nor does my mother recall me getting any! I just remember having a lady doctor check out my one testicle quite vividly because it was alot smaller then my other one..

and yes, I enjoyed it.. i guess it was my first semi-handjob since she massaged my balls for a good minute or two.

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Old 10-21-2009, 06:24 PM   #49
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I'm sorry if this is going to be a rant or a too long post but i need to say this. Some years ago there was this anti depressant scandal. Pharmaceutical companies were giving away luxurious trips to sunny destinations and golf resorts to doctors and specialist who wrote the most prescriptions for their SSRI (Selective Serotonin Re-uptake Inhibitors) A great drug for people who are depressed, anxious and suffer from panic dissorders to name a few. These medications like Paxil, Xanax and Celexa to name a few were prescribed to people who probably didn't need them. To me there is nothing wrong with feeling blue once and awhile it's a normal rythm of life. Anyways these doctors were told by all these pharmaceutical companies that there were no withdrawal side effects and that they were totally safe to use. Well they were wrong, many people (i know a few up close and personal) that have huge withdrawal symptoms and can't stop these horrible drugs. The results are huge lawsuits and some companies finally admitting they were wrong.
You probably visit your fam doc when there is something wrong with you and most likely within a 5 mins and a quick check up you are back in the waiting room with a prescription in hand. Antibiotics are the #1 and i'm sure many of you still have a bottle of Amoxicillin sitting somewhere. If your doctor has some sense he will not put you antibiotics for a little cough of some mild fever. If you have been on certain antibiotics long enough your body will grow an immunity to the drug and if there will come a time where you really need it you are out of luck because your body won't react to the antibiotics.

And that's what is wrong with todays world. Feeling sad and blue....take a pill.....having a cough.....take pill.....your anckle hurts go to the ER......flu-season is coming....take a needle. Ofcourse people will make money of this attitude. Why educate when you can make money. Especially now when the bigger pharmaceutical companies feel the economy squeeze and by losing money by companies like Novopharm and Apotex who make generic medications. Ofcourse all these companies want a new blockbuster drug....Oh yes almost forgot this one......no boner......take a pill

If you get the flu stay home away from elderly have some proper hygiene and just rest.
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Old 10-21-2009, 06:27 PM   #50
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Bayer Exposed ( HIV Contaminated Vaccine )

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Old 10-21-2009, 07:32 PM   #51
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I'm sorry if this is going to be a rant or a too long post but i need to say this. Some years ago there was this anti depressant scandal. Pharmaceutical companies were giving away luxurious trips to sunny destinations and golf resorts to doctors and specialist who wrote the most prescriptions for their SSRI (Selective Serotonin Re-uptake Inhibitors) A great drug for people who are depressed, anxious and suffer from panic dissorders to name a few. These medications like Paxil, Xanax and Celexa to name a few were prescribed to people who probably didn't need them. To me there is nothing wrong with feeling blue once and awhile it's a normal rythm of life. Anyways these doctors were told by all these pharmaceutical companies that there were no withdrawal side effects and that they were totally safe to use. Well they were wrong, many people (i know a few up close and personal) that have huge withdrawal symptoms and can't stop these horrible drugs. The results are huge lawsuits and some companies finally admitting they were wrong.
You probably visit your fam doc when there is something wrong with you and most likely within a 5 mins and a quick check up you are back in the waiting room with a prescription in hand. Antibiotics are the #1 and i'm sure many of you still have a bottle of Amoxicillin sitting somewhere. If your doctor has some sense he will not put you antibiotics for a little cough of some mild fever. If you have been on certain antibiotics long enough your body will grow an immunity to the drug and if there will come a time where you really need it you are out of luck because your body won't react to the antibiotics.

And that's what is wrong with todays world. Feeling sad and blue....take a pill.....having a cough.....take pill.....your anckle hurts go to the ER......flu-season is coming....take a needle. Ofcourse people will make money of this attitude. Why educate when you can make money. Especially now when the bigger pharmaceutical companies feel the economy squeeze and by losing money by companies like Novopharm and Apotex who make generic medications. Ofcourse all these companies want a new blockbuster drug....Oh yes almost forgot this one......no boner......take a pill

If you get the flu stay home away from elderly have some proper hygiene and just rest.
Before SSRIs were introduced, the medications that were used to treat bipolor, depression, sleep depravation, and anxiety were much harsher drugs. SSRIs such as Paxil, Zoloft, and Prozac are prescribed for depression, not only do they work, they also have fewer side effects and or over all much better tolerated by patients.
Drugs like MAOIs and such are not used as much because they have many more side effects then SSRIs.
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Old 10-21-2009, 08:00 PM   #52
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i did. ok so 'im no one don't listen to me, listen to experts' is the main theme,
and here we are on a discussion forum bunch of 'no ones' yakn yet we're on pg3
hahaha...who said were a bunch of 'no ones'?
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Old 10-21-2009, 09:18 PM   #53
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Before SSRIs were introduced, the medications that were used to treat bipolor, depression, sleep depravation, and anxiety were much harsher drugs. SSRIs such as Paxil, Zoloft, and Prozac are prescribed for depression, not only do they work, they also have fewer side effects and or over all much better tolerated by patients.
Drugs like MAOIs and such are not used as much because they have many more side effects then SSRIs.
I agree and as i said they are great drugs but i don't agree the way they are being put on the market. Research has shown almost half of the people taking these meds didn't need to be on it. Pharmaceutical companies leave free samples at your doctor's office for everyone to try and he's giving them away like free candy and I'm sure that if everyone who's taking these drugs were educated on these meds would have probably thought twice. They are temporarly band aids and the underlying problem for your anxiety, depression etc still needs to get resolved. A woman that i know had just given birth to her new baby and since she was also new to Canada and with her husband away a lot to make a living she became very lonely and therefor with all hormones changing she fell in a depression when she went to her doctor to talk about he send her home with 6 mos worth of Celexa, all free samples. This is disgusting, what she needed was some directions to social groups, meeting places for new mommies etc. maybe a helping hand or getting assitance looking after the baby, not a damn pill.
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Old 10-21-2009, 09:29 PM   #54
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I agree and as i said they are great drugs but i don't agree the way they are being put on the market. Research has shown almost half of the people taking these meds didn't need to be on it. Pharmaceutical companies leave free samples at your doctor's office for everyone to try and he's giving them away like free candy and I'm sure that if everyone who's taking these drugs were educated on these meds would have probably thought twice. They are temporarly band aids and the underlying problem for your anxiety, depression etc still needs to get resolved. A woman that i know had just given birth to her new baby and since she was also new to Canada and with her husband away a lot to make a living she became very lonely and therefor with all hormones changing she fell in a depression when she went to her doctor to talk about he send her home with 6 mos worth of Celexa, all free samples. This is disgusting, what she needed was some directions to social groups, meeting places for new mommies etc. maybe a helping hand or getting assitance looking after the baby, not a damn pill.
I don't know any doctors doing this. I find older doctors are generally much quicker to prescribe, and they do need to be more careful. Medicine is constantly evolving and doctors need to keep up with the times.
If she was breast feeding, most doctors will not prescribe, even if its not labelled as dangerous, they still don't, well at least I don't unless absolutely necessary because there is no need to put mother or baby at risk. Most of these antidepressants are not be used by pregnant woman.

I also don't know anyone giving away 6 months free samples and samples are controlled aswell. The days of drug reps coming to the office with a bag of samples is over or on the way out. Samples are sent to the office and monitored, at least in the US this is the new format.

Patients and doctors need to be responsible. Patients come to me all the time and expect me to give them something, and when I don't they get upset, and insist I prescribe, I still don't. Later I will find that they went somewhere else and got something. I don't see those patients anymore if I find out they practice this sort of behaviour.
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Patients and doctors need to be responsible. Patients come to me all the time and expect me to give them something, and when I don't they get upset, and insist I prescribe, I still don't. Later I will find that they went somewhere else and got something. I don't see those patients anymore if I find out they practice this sort of behaviour.
That's exactly my point, patient education is key, I see that at the clinic i work for on a daily basis especially when it comes to prescription renewals clients just don't understand "it's not an over the counter medication" they want it quick, they want it now and pharmaceutical companies know that.
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i might sound like an ass but man i watched that vid with some hip hop in the background and it looks like she's krumping!
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Old 10-22-2009, 12:26 AM   #57
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I know that ALOT of emergency response people refuse to take either flu shots even though the government mandated they were suppose to.
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I know that ALOT of emergency response people refuse to take either flu shots even though the government mandated they were suppose to.
the reason is, and i don't want to be disrespectful, but people in certain fields have certain skills and knowledge sets. ER personnel and nurses in general are trained for helping people survive injury, sickness, etc. they don't necessarily have the understanding of vaccination and drug function. not the general thing but the underlying biological mechanisms of how they work, why they work or don't work, etc so its not surprising that some refused to take it. people have an understanding and knowledge of things in the niche they work in.
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sorry to revive an old thread but as part of my job i do a lot of reading and i came across this and it reminded me of this thread so i decided to share it with you guys. it sort of explains how one fraudulent claim can spawn a lot of misinformation in the media and public paranoia for no good reason. this is going back to the vaccine/autism relationship and where the claim came from....

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Hi. My name is Paul Offit. I'm talking to you today from the Division of Infectious Diseases and the Vaccine Education Center at Children's Hospital, Philadelphia. I'm sure many of you know that an editorial was published in the British Medical Journal [1,2] on January 5, 2011, looking at the issue of Andrew Wakefield and his 1998 Lancet publication claiming that the combination measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine caused autism. The purpose of the editorial was to make the further point that this was indeed an elaborate fraud. It wasn't just that he was wrong -- it was that it was fraudulent and wrong.

I'm sure many of you know that what Dr. Wakefield claimed was that because the MMR vaccine was given as a combination vaccine, it overwhelmed the immune system, allowing the measles component of that vaccine to enter the intestines and cause intestinal damage, which allowed for the ingress of encephalopathic proteins. Not a single aspect of that hypothesis was correct, and more importantly, nothing was studied, because Dr. Wakefield's initial publication was merely a case series. The studies were to come later, and there were 14 of them that looked at hundreds of thousands of children who either did or didn't receive the MMR vaccine. These studies found that the incidence of autism, not surprisingly, was the same in the vaccinated group as it was in the unvaccinated group.

So what did we learn from this? What disappoints me about the British Medical Journal editorial was that the focus was on fraud -- that essentially this man should not be believed because he was fraudulent. But to me it doesn't matter whether you're fraudulent and wrong. In this case, the only thing that matters was that he was wrong and that his paper certainly did a lot of damage. Thousands of parents in England chose to not vaccinate their children. Hundreds were hospitalized and 4 were killed. Three in Ireland and 1 in London died because their parents feared the MMR vaccine more than they feared the measles. You could argue that the Wakefield paper killed 4 children.

I'd like to think that in the future we'd be more circumspect. When an article that could have a tremendous negative impact on the public's health is submitted for publication, both journal reviewers as well as the media should be far more circumspect. Thanks for your attention.

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1. Deer B. How the case against the MMR vaccine was fixed. BMJ 2011; 342:c5347. Available at http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c...3-fe1f08d424e8 Accessed January 10, 2011
2. Brauser D. Autism and MMR vaccine study an 'elaborate fraud,' charges BMJ. Medscape Medical News. January 6, 2011. Available at: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/735354 Accessed January 7, 2011.

Taken from: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/...src=mp&spon=17
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