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Old 03-12-2003, 02:08 PM   #16
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i dont like listening to all the crap about how jap cars are so easily tuneable though. a cold air intake is not that big of a mod as far as im concerned, you pick up what, 3hp, big deal. nothing can beat a chevy smallblock or 5.0 ford when it comes to an infinate aftermarket filled with parts that really will add serious horsepower without having to slap on a turbo or nitrious.
No replacement for displacement...right? Well um no, see you could take a 3.0 250hp engine de-bore it to 2.9 add a turbo and get like 400hp out of the same engine.
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Old 03-12-2003, 03:10 PM   #17
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Jap=Crap as far as i am concerned. i dont like them, and never would buy them.
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Old 03-12-2003, 03:12 PM   #18
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Old 03-12-2003, 03:13 PM   #19
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good call
someone's not getting an intake..lol jk man

terry, explain why u think jap = crap
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Old 03-12-2003, 03:15 PM   #20
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hey Jon, there are plenty of other people who can help me with it lol.
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Old 03-12-2003, 03:49 PM   #21
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Why don't poeple explain there posts, like why jap=crap. I explained my thoughts on jap cars, why can't people do the same?
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Old 03-12-2003, 04:04 PM   #22
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Why don't poeple explain there posts, like why jap=crap. I explained my thoughts on jap cars, why can't people do the same?
well when you think about it..his car IS named bavarski..lol

jk terry

i jus want to add, why do people judge jap cars, when they mainly see civic's and integras down here in canada? NO ONE here has EVER driven an evo 7 lancer, or any skyline, or silvia. They think jap cars are just riced out honda's....go to japan and see the style of car's, only in america theres rice...in japan its just simple c/f lip spoilers, and stuff....thats for the real tuners!

jap cars arent real performers? take a look at this....this car WAS in the low 13s..our very own empowerd's beater.......not a beater IMO
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Old 03-12-2003, 04:41 PM   #23
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go to japan and see the style of car's, only in america theres rice...in japan its just simple c/f lip spoilers, and stuff....thats for the real tuners!
Exactly!!! If you look at good japanese tuners, and look at good European tuners, the stuff they are doing is the same. And the hp results are very much the same!!! Look at JUN and RUF, two of the best tunners IMO, 800hp SR20DET engines from JUN, 800hp Porsche Turbos from RUF, see what I mean?
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hahaha, E46 Lover, this one is for you!
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nos_fx, then you must know the "tec" technology was originated F1, first used in BMW then Honduh slapped a pretty name onto it and start advertising for it right. Turbo was designed by Lotus, rotary engine was from Mercedes Benz etc etc....What Jap companies does was copy their design and advertise it. Plus Jap cars' chassis is really weak comparing to Euro cars or even North American automobiles. Why do we want to start a project car on a weak base anyways. And don't forget....around a year ago in SCC magazine, they've shipped a 1000hp skyline to autobahn and did a time trial, the result was.....a stock 911 turbo can still out perform it, so you might as well as learn a new term called TORQUE.....
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I see everyone's point...but i think we're missing some things. First off, it's hard to focus on the issue at hand... we're discussing the quality of Japaneese cars over the rest of the world, not the stereotype of punks laying back in their seats cruising up the street bouncing like an idiot on chopped springs.

If you look at the actual products... Their cars are really quite good. I've never seen a Domestic car last as long as Jap cars without having problems (on average). Reliability is a BIG issue where they are worlds ahead. Also, when you drive down a road in your Chevy Malibu, what do you feel? NOTHING! it's a big sofa on wheels... the steering is vague as shit... you couldn't even feel a tire blowout FeR-kRiEs-SeAkS! I don't know about you, but i enjoy feeling the steering input from the road surface, and having brakes that actually grab when i hit the pedal, not half-way to the floor!

That was a simple comparison between Domestic & Jap.... now European cars are (IMO) a totally different ballgame. The only thing that scares me about Jap cars is their obvious weakness in crash standards. That's what makes them so bloody fast... their (lack of) weight. I sit in both cars and with my Civic, i swear the rain drops are going to peirce the metal in the roof! When I open my window on the highway, the entire roof pops out.... makes the loudest noise, then implodes once the window is rolled up. How safe does that make me? LOL!

Don't bother comparing tuner cars with crazy HP figures, we'll be here all day... lets start with the cars in our (& neighbours) driveways.
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Old 03-12-2003, 06:36 PM   #27
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I see everyone's point...but i think we're missing some things. First off, it's hard to focus on the issue at hand... we're discussing the quality of Japaneese cars over the rest of the world, not the stereotype of punks laying back in their seats cruising up the street bouncing like an idiot on chopped springs.

If you look at the actual products... Their cars are really quite good. I've never seen a Domestic car last as long as Jap cars without having problems (on average). Reliability is a BIG issue where they are worlds ahead. Also, when you drive down a road in your Chevy Malibu, what do you feel? NOTHING! it's a big sofa on wheels... the steering is vague as shit... you couldn't even feel a tire blowout FeR-kRiEs-SeAkS! I don't know about you, but i enjoy feeling the steering input from the road surface, and having brakes that actually grab when i hit the pedal, not half-way to the floor!

That was a simple comparison between Domestic & Jap.... now European cars are (IMO) a totally different ballgame. The only thing that scares me about Jap cars is their obvious weakness in crash standards. That's what makes them so bloody fast... their (lack of) weight. I sit in both cars and with my Civic, i swear the rain drops are going to peirce the metal in the roof! When I open my window on the highway, the entire roof pops out.... makes the loudest noise, then implodes once the window is rolled up. How safe does that make me? LOL!

Don't bother comparing tuner cars with crazy HP figures, we'll be here all day... lets start with the cars in our (& neighbours) driveways.
well said. Jap cars will get you from A to B reliably and cheaply
Euro cars wil get you there instyle, in comfort, and not without occasionaly forcing you to open your wallet.

It all depends on how you want to get to point B
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Old 03-12-2003, 06:38 PM   #28
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nos_fx, then you must know the "tec" technology was originated F1, first used in BMW then Honduh slapped a pretty name onto it and start advertising for it right. Turbo was designed by Lotus, rotary engine was from Mercedes Benz etc etc....What Jap companies does was copy their design and advertise it. Plus Jap cars' chassis is really weak comparing to Euro cars or even North American automobiles. Why do we want to start a project car on a weak base anyways. And don't forget....around a year ago in SCC magazine, they've shipped a 1000hp skyline to autobahn and did a time trial, the result was.....a stock 911 turbo can still out perform it, so you might as well as learn a new term called TORQUE.....
Maybe if you went back and read my post you will see that I'm not claming that japanese manufactuars "invent" anything. They sometimes put it into affect better or sooner than others ie-RX7 w/ the rotary engine, BMW invented "tec" for a F1 car...good for them, why did it take them so long to get it into a road car? Don't be mad at Honda for taking a great idea and applying it to a road car!!! And to your comment about the 1000hp skyline being slower than a porsche...well look at the areodynamics thats like racing a shoe box against a paper clip!!! And yes SOME chassis are weak, not all of them are. Then again some Euro chassis are weak too.
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... yes SOME chassis are weak, not all of them are. Then again some Euro chassis are weak too.

Europe has much different standards than the rest of the world. Here's a small example. Back in '94, i was reading a German car magazine (Auto Motor und Sport)... the conduct their own independant crash tests that are completely unbiased. The test consisted of an offset 55km/h head-on collision (compact car class). I can't remember all the cars, but obviously the worst and best stand out. The Honda Civic hatch along with the Mazda 323 hatch were at the bottom of the list (duh).... WITH airbags, the driver (read: test dummy) sustained major injuries to the head, chest, and arms. They had to use the "jaws of life" to get them out. The roof buckled on the car and the motor looked like it was part of the dashboard. The VW Golf on the other hand (best of the group) was able to have the driver's door OPENED by hand! The dummies were laughing all the way home. I couldn't beleive it...
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Europe has much different standards than the rest of the world. Here's a small example. Back in '94, i was reading a German car magazine (Auto Motor und Sport)... the conduct their own independant crash tests that are completely unbiased. The test consisted of an offset 55km/h head-on collision (compact car class). I can't remember all the cars, but obviously the worst and best stand out. The Honda Civic hatch along with the Mazda 323 hatch were at the bottom of the list (duh).... WITH airbags, the driver (read: test dummy) sustained major injuries to the head, chest, and arms. They had to use the "jaws of life" to get them out. The roof buckled on the car and the motor looked like it was part of the dashboard. The VW Golf on the other hand (best of the group) was able to have the driver's door OPENED by hand! The dummies were laughing all the way home. I couldn't beleive it...
Saw the video about the same test.
It was a real eye-opener to see the difference between the VW and some of the other cars like a Civic. I also remember the Ford Taurus in the same test actually caught fire!
That video was the biggest reason I bought the VW Golf Diesel back in '94, and not the Honda.
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