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Old 11-18-2010, 03:02 PM   #61
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lowering a car is illegal. technically you cannot safety certify a vehicle that has modified suspension (this is in the guide book that mechanic's use). Places like saskatchewan etc...wont even safety cars that are lowered or raised...100 percent of the time these mods are done AFTER the safety (since saskatchewan only requires 1 PERMANENT safety for the entire lifetime of that car no matter how many people buy it)
If that is the case, then changing the original suspension once it is worn out with anything other than dealer parts would make it illegal as well. Since "modified" is anything other that came on the car from the factory.

Here is a link to the HTA dealing with Vehicle Safety Inspection and no where in it does it state that a "modified" suspension is illegal. As long as there is no play or wear, it's good to go.

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/reg...s_900611_e.htm
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Old 11-18-2010, 04:05 PM   #62
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lowering a car is not illegal. stating otherwise is just flat out wrong. plain and simple.

lots of opinion floats around forums...but there is no opinion for this. Its either right or wrong, and saying lowering a car is illegal is just...wrong,incorrect.
cars pass safety just fine with modified suspension lol
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Old 11-18-2010, 05:18 PM   #63
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sure fine they didnt have pedestrian safety in mind at the time of those cars design but it still doesnt change OTHER height clearances that were in place at that time ie. curbs etc....btw
Citation needed.
The only height restriction I know is the distance between the road and the headlights, but if you know of any other, provide the links.

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pedestrian safety is fairly new concept that is brought forth by innovative automakers however the IHSA etc....are loving it based on the results they are seeing and its only a matter of time before it does become a basic rule in car manufacturing.
Sure pedestrian safety will be written into law one day, but it will apply only to new cars. Sure there might be a law in the future that will not allow you to modify your suspension, but we are talking about now.

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lowering a car is illegal. technically you cannot safety certify a vehicle that has modified suspension (this is in the guide book that mechanic's use). Places like saskatchewan etc...wont even safety cars that are lowered or raised...100 percent of the time these mods are done AFTER the safety (since saskatchewan only requires 1 PERMANENT safety for the entire lifetime of that car no matter how many people buy it)
Another citation needed here, but while you are looking for the non-existent law, I'll just leave this here
http://www.yrp.ca/erase/side.htm (does not work in firefox)
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^^this has been discussed at great length, this will not stand up in court (never has).

The reason why lowering your car is unsafe is because your bumpers are now too low to mate up with bumpers of larger, higher vehicles in the case of an accident.
Too bad they never lined up to begin with.
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Old 11-18-2010, 06:01 PM   #64
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With respect to concern for pedestrian safety, those flatbed tow trucks blow my mind. There is no rear bumper to speak of until you are a good 5 or 6 feet under the deck, decapatated.




Bumper heights never made any sense to me. For most passenger vehicles; front bumpers are lower then rear bumpers and even more so when you are on the brakes hard.
These trucks are crazy. I was driving by one parked on the side of a major road (always there at nights), and thought... somone is going to hit it.


No proper reflectors... barely saw it myself.

An hour later, I was driving by, and an Intrepid had rear-ended it pretty hard.
The sharp part of the flatbed had cut into the windshield of the car pretty hard.... ehh.
I really hoped the people were okay.... the car was messed up.

The funniest was a lowered BMW rear-ending a older nissan pathfinder.
Heavily bent BMW hood, headlight, and fender. Bumper untouched.
Nissan drove away. Next to no damage... probably didn't care.
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Old 11-18-2010, 06:02 PM   #65
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LOL and you dont see whats wrong here?
better yet you could have a crv for a new roof.

the other car could have been picked up like a scoop of snow and when both cars came to a full stop it could have slid back off and go out of control into another vehicle.
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he just gave u another point,
have you seen a stock corvette behind a hummer? a toyota corolla behind an 18 wheeler? a C class behind a GMC Yukon or an Escalade?

wouldnt the same thing happen to them there?

if everyone thought like you then no one would drive a low car at all, everyone will go 4x4 and put mud tires on it

if youre going 100 km/hour, regardless of the height of you car, you will be damaged if the other car is at full stop,

lowering a car is dangerous when the tire rubs the fenders, and it could cut ur tire off while ur on the highway...

if ur tires dont rub u should be good to go..

and it would be illegal if the springs were cut, cuz they would go off at anytime.
if you have a proper set up done, it should be no problem.

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Old 11-18-2010, 07:37 PM   #66
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Mhamouda: I see why you have no plates now neighbor

And out of any thread i made, the saddest one had to be bumped up eh?

Motion, I really don't believe MTO give a shit about pedestrians, and if they do, that's not the reason they tow low cars... I admit my case was extreme last year and i paid for it i never complained...but they do it solely to make MONEY...they don't care about "$afety"..get it?
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Old 11-18-2010, 10:39 PM   #67
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yup all about money.


why was that bmw towed downtown? not sure if i missed it other than "downtown doesnt know lowered cars" lol ok.
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Old 11-19-2010, 10:47 AM   #68
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Mhamouda: I see why you have no plates now neighbor
haha yaaa..
how did you deal with it?
you cant even get a temporary plate to take it to the mechanic to get it safetied again....
which is unreasonable because its hard getting around...

but... he didnt fine me with anything.. no tickets,
just the summit to court, and once i make the car " FIT" again, everything will be good to go,
so besides my costs of raising up the car, and tow truck fees, theres no other additional costs.

so where would they make their money from?
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Old 11-19-2010, 12:06 PM   #69
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There are additional costs...my ticket was a summon as well..had no $$ written...but when i went to court..judge said it was $200 ...i had pictures of my car before and after (low and then raised up)... they didn't bother looking at it...i told them that $200 wasn't acceptable and i would appreciate it if they can lower it...judge said $100 ...I ended up paying $125 because court fees are $25 i think it was...


Biggest waste of time ever..200 isn't worth all that time...not to mention the hour and fifteen minutes to put my car behind a tow truck lol....

But again, this goes back to my point, I could have not raised it and not had proof and it still wouldn't have mattered because they never checked my pictures


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Old 11-19-2010, 01:25 PM   #70
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BTW, what is written on the summons? What law did you break?
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Old 11-19-2010, 01:56 PM   #71
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My buddy got pulled over for the same thing in his EL. They told him he can drive it home, and bring it back the next day raised. So he just put his stock springs on and brought it back.

They compressed the suspension while someone turned the wheel while another slid a piece of paper between the tire and fender.
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Old 11-19-2010, 02:19 PM   #72
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My buddy got pulled over for the same thing in his EL. They told him he can drive it home, and bring it back the next day raised. So he just put his stock springs on and brought it back.

They compressed the suspension while someone turned the wheel while another slid a piece of paper between the tire and fender.
As if to say that the fender would have hit the tire over a bump during a turn? Well that really can't be safe then...

If I had a nice car I would tell them to **** off before letting them "compress the suspension."
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Old 11-19-2010, 02:31 PM   #73
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anyone know how to get insurance if you're a soveriegn?
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Old 11-19-2010, 03:28 PM   #74
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I can't comment on much because I'm no expert, however my understanding is this:

To be a Free man on the land you need to cancel your drivers licence, health card, SIN card to revoke your citizenship to Canada.

What I am an expert on is insurance. Without a valid Ontario drivers licence and without an vaild Ontario vehicle ownership, you will not be able to obtain insurance. I only say this because you said "I'll always have some form of insurance that's just good financial sense". I agree.

If a free person on the land causes injury to someone in a vehicle collision, the full financial responsibility of that; rehabilitation costs for the other person and their passengers, damages to their vehicle, their lost wages, damaged property, etc.. rests fully on his/her shoulders. This is not how it goes if you are insured; the other drivers policy picks up most of those costs, but since you don't pay into the insurance system; a pooling of the money of the masses to pay for the losses of the few, they hang your "free man's" ass out on a line and let you pay your own soverign way. But hey, you dodged a few fines along the way so you can afford it, right?
It's not possible.
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Old 11-19-2010, 03:42 PM   #75
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if you are "free man" who cares. drive anyways

as for this mto business. pure cash grab
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